Obama's true beliefs........

[justgotback]

Anyone who can support this guy needs to do some soul searching and think long and hard if you want this man in the Whitehouse.

This video is tough to watch. Especially if you are a father, mother, grandfather, or grandmother....

YouTube - I Invented the Internet (Episode 4: Kill and Destroy)

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[Dhunter55]

Moral argument aside, from a Constitutional point of view, I think every American has the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, including the unborn.

[Pharmakon]

Nothing new here. Planned parenthood where Obama was speaking was originally created with eugenic social hygiene in mind. Some of their ranks believed that since Blacks committed the majority of the crime that aborting the unwanted would help to stem crime. (see freakanomics). Planned parenthood in it's youth praised Nazi Germany for it's eugenic beliefs, killing unfit children for the state. Now most planned parenthood centers are in minority areas which lead to some shocking stats. Nationwide 512 out of every 1000 black pregnancies end in abortion. Since liberals wish to provide for all it makes sense that part of their plan would be to stem the flow of the "feeble minded" and "useless bread gobblers" as they put it. Liberals come from a very dark place in the world and they act like they do it for humanitarian reasons and freedom. It really makes me sick how conservatives are labeled the bad guys and racist when really just the opposite is true.

BTW, I learned some of this by reading 'Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. Say what you want about his opinion, this book is about historical facts and is very mind blowing. Read it.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

Nationwide 512 out of every 1000 black pregnancies end in abortion. Since liberals wish to provide for all it makes sense that part of their plan would be to stem the flow of the "feeble minded" and "useless bread gobblers" as they put it. Liberals come from a very dark place in the world and they act like they do it for humanitarian reasons and freedom. It really makes me sick how conservatives are labeled the bad guys and racist when really just the opposite is true.

BTW, I learned some of this by reading 'Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. Say what you want about his opinion, this book is about historical facts and is very mind blowing. Read it.

Your read a book? That is "proof" for you? LOL

OK.... how about doing me (maybe others) a big favor and telling us exactly which "liberals" said (you used the term "as they put it") that there is a conspiracy to "stem the flow" (not sure if those are your words or Johan Goldberg's words or the words of the specific "liberal" or "liberals" you refer to as having "put it" -that this alleged plot to "stem the flow" is to do it to "feeble minded" and "useless bread gobblers".

Who said those words and when and where?



I'd be interested to hear what makes you believe that "conservatives are labeled as racists". By whom? Can you give any example of any "liberal" or for that matter, anyone with any credibility whatsoever who has said those words? (quoting someone with no more credentials or knowledge or accountability who happens to have Internet access does not count.....unless you want to believe everything you read...in which case, send me your email address and I'll give you some great information that will be very profitable to me...LOL).

Same for "liberals" being racists....you say this is the case, but while it's clearly your opinion, do you have any basis for making such an allegation?

I don't doubt that there are people who may think of themselves as "liberals" who are indeed racists. Just as I'm certain there are others who think of themselves as "conservatives" who also are racists.

But to stereotype a substantial (more than half of registered voters if you believe as many do that Democrats are "liberals") as being "racists", then I think it's not unreasonable for you to give some kind of explanation as to how you have reached this conclusion.

I've never gotten an answer (and I've asked this too many times to remember) what the definition of a "liberal" is to the people who use it as a term to label all these people who "come from a very dark place in the world"

Seriously....it's one thing to make baseless assertions, but this one is kind of over the top IMO..... as I said, there are "good" and "bad" people, "racist" and "bigots" and criminals just as there are great Americans - '"sinners and saints" both, who call themselves (or are labeled by others) as both "conservatives" and "liberals".


To call ALL people of any political leaning you disagree with "racists" or "coming from a dark place", or anything else with zero explanation just does not cut it.

Just another fine example of someone making a claim and not backing it up with a single fact or example.

Really man......if you can prove me wrong, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

If, as you claim, the book you refer to (your "source"?) is full of historical fact, then it should be easy to give some examples to back up your allegations. Why not share?

Or are you too busy? Maybe reading the Jerome Corsi book that's making all kinds of news for being a best seller while also being filled with proven lies.

Whatever.....I hope you can respond with ONE SINGLE FACT, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here that won't be holding my breath.



Peace,
D.

[Jack the Toad]

BHO voted and spoke AGAINST the Born Alive Infants Protection Act in Illinois. That makes him a Barbarian at the least and certainly NOT a Christian(which he claims to be).

[Pharmakon]

Originally Posted by Delija

Your read a book? That is "proof" for you? LOL

OK.... how about doing me (maybe others) a big favor and telling us exactly which "liberals" said (you used the term "as they put it") that there is a conspiracy to "stem the flow" (not sure if those are your words or Johan Goldberg's words or the words of the specific "liberal" or "liberals" you refer to as having "put it" -that this alleged plot to "stem the flow" is to do it to "feeble minded" and "useless bread gobblers".

Who said those words and when and where?



I'd be interested to hear what makes you believe that "conservatives are labeled as racists". By whom? Can you give any example of any "liberal" or for that matter, anyone with any credibility whatsoever who has said those words? (quoting someone with no more credentials or knowledge or accountability who happens to have Internet access does not count.....unless you want to believe everything you read...in which case, send me your email address and I'll give you some great information that will be very profitable to me...LOL).

Same for "liberals" being racists....you say this is the case, but while it's clearly your opinion, do you have any basis for making such an allegation?

I don't doubt that there are people who may think of themselves as "liberals" who are indeed racists. Just as I'm certain there are others who think of themselves as "conservatives" who also are racists.

But to stereotype a substantial (more than half of registered voters if you believe as many do that Democrats are "liberals") as being "racists", then I think it's not unreasonable for you to give some kind of explanation as to how you have reached this conclusion.

I've never gotten an answer (and I've asked this too many times to remember) what the definition of a "liberal" is to the people who use it as a term to label all these people who "come from a very dark place in the world"

Seriously....it's one thing to make baseless assertions, but this one is kind of over the top IMO..... as I said, there are "good" and "bad" people, "racist" and "bigots" and criminals just as there are great Americans - '"sinners and saints" both, who call themselves (or are labeled by others) as both "conservatives" and "liberals".


To call ALL people of any political leaning you disagree with "racists" or "coming from a dark place", or anything else with zero explanation just does not cut it.

Just another fine example of someone making a claim and not backing it up with a single fact or example.

Really man......if you can prove me wrong, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

If, as you claim, the book you refer to (your "source"?) is full of historical fact, then it should be easy to give some examples to back up your allegations. Why not share?

Or are you too busy? Maybe reading the Jerome Corsi book that's making all kinds of news for being a best seller while also being filled with proven lies.

Whatever.....I hope you can respond with ONE SINGLE FACT, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here that won't be holding my breath.



Peace,
D.

You make it seem like I have a long history here of making outrageous claims and then running away and not supporting them. Are you sure you are not railing against someone else?

I have absolutely no problem responding to you but you do make one observation right off the bat that I will agree with. I'm not one of the ones on this site that does a lot of referencing and hyper linking to prove a point. But rather I enjoy philosophical debate on ideas. So why don't I cover that portion first.

I realize that liberals are a mixed bunch and not all of them think the way that I have described. Most are well meaning individuals who think that the answer generally lies in the governmental sector rather than the private. Or they wish to apply government and (very) supposedly civil liberties "liberally" (as the root meaning of the word goes) to solve the nations problems. Conservatives on the other hand, believe just the opposite; that limited government and individuals hold the key to any problems that may arise and the only civil liberties you'll ever need arise from the natural rights of men. Now those are very broad terms but when you are dealing with a huge cross section of people who come from varying beliefs I think it offers plenty of room for one to leave out someone's brand of either respective political belief.

I'm not going to go into what those meanings have come to mean in every scenario. When you attempt to bring definition to something as broad as this you always leave someone out. So asking someone to pin down an entire political movement in a few sentences is just folly.

I see that you noticed I was a blank slate before I read Jonah Goldberg's book "Liberal fascism". Thank you. I guess years of interest based study, college and a once left leaning view has done nothing to shape my perspective or knowledge on this subject.

This not the first correlation in both historical text and tendancy that shows early progressives were influenced by early work of Nazi Germany and had a downright love affair with Mussolini. Progressives later evolved into what is now known as the liberal movement. I really don't feel like a reference is even appropriate here. If you didn't know that about early progressive thought than I am sorry. The information is out there in old media, quotes and personal diaries and correspondences. I really don't feel like compiling it all for you. Try reading anything from "The New Republic" or the "New York Times" before things got really ugly in Europe. This is what I was referring to when I said that the history of liberalism "comes from a dark place". Even before I heard of Jonah Goldberg I knew that fascism in many of it's forms breeds from the left.

Traditional definitions associate conservatives or "classical liberals" as originalists, and liberals as they who wish to "progress" and reshape the world and have often done so by redefinition and socialization ( not to be confused with socialism). Is the right squeaky clean on all fronts? eww...no. Did early many early progressives have a affinity for pre-WW2 European fascism? Ya...I thought everybody knew that.

As far as who said what when, I will just give you the excerpt from the chapter to which I am referring so you can have a better understanding of what I meant. It is full of actual statements made by the actual people in question as it relates to your inquiry.

Jonah Goldberg on Contraception, abortion, and eugenics. on National Review Online

If you want more try to be as specific as possible and I'll see what I can do. I really do shutter at the thought of it. I absolutely hate doing research as I've spent more time with an MLA handbook than I care to remember.

Now...

Are you really going to go on the notion that it is not popular knowledge that conservatives are racist and that liberals are anti-racist. All the places I've ever lived, ranging from San Francisco to Alabama (Alabama kind of made a case for this actually) this is the general consensus. Liberal politicians have always been the ones to push for things like affirmative action, P.C. and minority preference and if you disagree with it you are a racist. If you are liberal you are hip, more open and diverse-thinking.

It was not my intention to paint with so broad a brush as to call all people identifying themselves as liberals racist, only the history and outcome of the political movement itself. Equitably, I know first hand that there are some very racist conservatives. Do you think I live under a rock and I somehow think there is no gray area to life? I just contend that racism is not intrinsic to conservatism as politically conservatives view citizens as Americans and politically liberals view them as hyphenated-Americans with special need for racial considerations. This really does little more than promote segregation and stem integration and assimilation. The fact of the matter is that when it comes to affirmative action and political correctness in our schools and workplace is that they are racist in nature as they discriminate based on color. I'm sure you know which side of the isle those things come from...Or do you need a reference? Just look at it with your own eyes, it is what it is.

Who is Jerome Corsi and why should he be able to get away with publishing lies? Feel free to refute "liberal fascism" (the book that I said I read) as lies. Maybe I am misguided in my beliefs. Just don't do it by telling me that some guy at Berkley says the book is hogwash.

Please refrain from making assumptions about me. Your argument would be stronger if you didn't transmit your frustrations along with it. I welcome your views and opinions so don't cast dispersions on my character.

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http://www.nohussein.org/

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by justgotback

Anyone who can support this guy needs to do some soul searching and think long and hard if you want this man in the Whitehouse.

This video is tough to watch. Especially if you are a father, mother, grandfather, or grandmother....

YouTube - I Invented the Internet (Episode 4: Kill and Destroy)

As far as I know, it is this one woman - Jill Stanek, who has raised the issue of fetuses born alive being allowed to die, and who is behind these "Obama favors infanticide" allegations. How come nurses from other hospitals haven't come forward and made these same claims? And why was she fired from the hospital where she worked?

[justgotback]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

As far as I know, it is this one woman - Jill Stanek, who has raised the issue of fetuses born alive being allowed to die, and who is behind these "Obama favors infanticide" allegations. How come nurses from other hospitals haven't come forward and made these same claims? And why was she fired from the hospital where she worked?

She testified in front of congress on this issue. I would give her some credibility. Even if you condone long term partial birth abortion, no need to try to attack this woman's credibility. I think the facts speak for themselves...