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[Krackels]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

... Wide disparities in wealth are not conducive to a democratic society.

That's a pretty opinionated claim.

Can you think of another free nation that didn't have 'wide disparities in wealth'?

Doesn't the possibility of wealth come with the possibility of poverty?

And lastly, is there anything wrong with being wealthy?

I think that's one of the greatest problems with the elites in the left. They seem to imply that wealth is something of a curse all the while they sit in their 20,000 sq. foot houses and fly on private jets and don't see their own hypocrisies.

[Brickboy240]

How does redistributing wealth encourage others to perform or work harder? It doesn't...does it? Why work harder...the govt will just take it and give it to those that can't or won't work harder.

I'll agree with you, our system does not favor the individual. It was not set up that way from the beginning. Our forefathers basically said "here's freedom...enjoy it...hope you make it."

This seems cruel to some and unfair but it also means that those that work hard reap larger rewards than those that can't or won't. Why should someone that slacks off be entitled to the hard workings of those that work longer, smarter or harder? Surely, nobody out there thinks THAT is fair....do you?

So in a system like ours, yes, there will be peopel on the bottom but guess what - in every country around the world there are very wealthy and very poor. Ever been to Mexico? Very wealthy and very poor and not too many in between....much worse inequality than the USA. The UK has a strong class system as does India. If you're born poor in most countries...thats where you'll stay no matter what you do.

However, this country, even though our system has its warts, is the best place for someone that starts out poor to have the best shot at moving out of that class. It has happened over and over again - people coming from nothing to make it big. From Oprah to Bill Gates...success stories are everywhere and cross racial and religious lines.

Where else in the world could this happen? The short answer is nowhere.

So thats why I think its awful for so many that live here and have the opportunity in front of them (even if they choose not to take risks...that is your choice) to constantly poo poo our system.

No, its not a perfect system but its the best you'll find on this planet for the opportuninty to make it big or not try and remain at the bottom.

What we really need is a leader that encourages the citizenry to do whatever they can to move up into the top class instead of one that takes from the top and then badmouths the top as he tries to woo the bottom. How can you admire a leader like that?

- brickboy240

PS: You need to rent the movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" with Will Smith...this is a true story and proof positive of what I am talking about. The book of which this movie is based is also a great read.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I find the work ethic that you describe very admirable, and something worthy of all of our efforts.

Don't you think people aspire to do something to help society or help the world at large? Something beyond themselves or their own narrow interests?

Define help.

Most people I know that are pretty well to do help others fairly regularly.

They employ small contractors for repairs on their homes, they often have many employees and own the business that employs them, they most often give to charities regularly, attend religious churches/synagogues and live out their faith.

All of this helps people.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

My question was in regards to transfers of wealth. In a Capitalist Constitutional Republic that practices Democracy there is no ceiling to how much you can accumulate. Show me where the Constitution says "There shall be equity for all citizens possessions" and maybe I'll agree with you. Until then, you're way, way out there on this topic.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Your theory is right out of the playbook.

No one has a problem with people being rewarded for working hard. How do you explain though that wealth and income disparity in the United States has increased dramatically since the 1970s? Something besides hard work is happening here.

[Ishpeck]

Alright, folks, it's really sad when I have to go so far as to defend Obama but.. this is kinda necessary.

Obama would be a horrible president. I would rather ram firecrackers down my urethra and set them off than put him in office.

This has nothing to do with him being a secret Muslim. We all know his REAL religion is Democrat.

This has nothing to do with the Kevin Bacon game people play with him and their favorite Communist dictator. You need only consult his voting record to know how socialist he really is.

This has nothing to do with his insane, black supremacist pastor. Racism is only an issue to racist people in this election.

This has nothing to do with his flip-flopping. An intelligent person can be convinced of what's right through sound reasoning and factual evidence. If you all recall, Ronald Regan was once a Democrat. He was also awesome-- flip-flopping is inadmissible to an intelligent person.

This has nothing to do with his silly, unpatriotic wife. Yeah, she's got major issues. Big deal. Lots of people have wives with poor characters -- it's unfair to judge those people by who they procreate with. Everyone gets drunk/horny/confused.

This has nothing to do with how totally unsubstantial his energy policy is. Yes, McCain's is better. But that's like saying having only one limb amputated with a good anesthetic is better than being drawn and quartered. It's true but SCREW YOU for proposing those as the only options.

This has nothing to do with how much experience he can or can not claim to have. Really, I see "experience" in Washington as a strike against a candidate because the longer he's been there, the longer he's proven to either be incapable of solving the long-brewing problems or out-right PART OF THE PROBLEM(S).

I actually think Obama's a good person. But there's more to being the Executive Authority of the Union than just being a good-natured, kind-hearted, magnanimous person. You need to know the Constitution.

Last I checked, Obama's understanding of the Constitution is laughable. His voting record shows a wanton disregard for the bounds our Supreme Law has laid down for him. He obviously does not take his oath very seriously.

However noble his intentions may be (and they may or may not be that noble) is irrelevant. The facts are in -- and have been for as long as his tenure in Congress has worked: He votes AGAINST THE LAW. He does not believe in the rule of law. He believes that it is better to make people endure hell on Earth all so he can try to shape Earth into his personal heaven.

He will not obey the Constitution. He will not do what it takes to reign in our budget, to protect our rights, or do anything beyond the prescribed path of the party line.

Let's make sure that the reasons we refuse to vote for the man are the RIGHT reasons. Let's not get sucked into all the bullcrap talking points that the presspuppets toss out there.

One of the scariest things about this election is that Obama's chances are good. Dang good. And part of the reason is because those of us who are smart enough to not fall for his rhetoric look like insane hicks. We have got to let the world see that we oppose his rule (because "Administration" would, indeed, be the wrong word) for lucid reasons and not for all those silly reasons that we're stereotyped with.

How do you explain though that wealth and income disparity in the United States has increased dramatically since the 1970s?

The 70's is when we fully abandoned the gold standard for the dollar.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Krackels

That's a pretty opinionated claim.

Can you think of another free nation that didn't have 'wide disparities in wealth'?

Doesn't the possibility of wealth come with the possibility of poverty?

And lastly, is there anything wrong with being wealthy?

I think that's one of the greatest problems with the elites in the left. They seem to imply that wealth is something of a curse all the while they sit in their 20,000 sq. foot houses and fly on private jets and don't see their own hypocrisies.

There is nothing wrong with wealth honestly earned.

Most free nations are redistributionist. It is in places like South America, Mexico, Africa and the Middle East where the disparity in wealth is even greater than it is here. Most of those countries are less free than Europe or the United States or Canada.

[PackerfanXD]

For the love of Pete,

please stop feeding the Obama troll.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

There is nothing wrong with wealth honestly earned.

Most free nations are redistributionist. It is in places like South America, Mexico, Africa and the Middle East where the disparity in wealth is even greater than it is here. Most of those countries are less free than Europe or the United States or Canada.

So what free nation doesn't have a disparity of wealth?

I think your idea of a perfect world in which everyone has enough and no one goes hungry is a little unrealistic and resembles heaven more than it resembles Earth.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

No one has a problem with people being rewarded for working hard. How do you explain though that wealth and income disparity in the United States has increased dramatically since the 1970s? Something besides hard work is happening here.

Like what?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Krackels

Define help.

Most people I know that are pretty well to do help others fairly regularly.

They employ small contractors for repairs on their homes, they often have many employees and own the business that employs them, they most often give to charities regularly, attend religious churches/synagogues and live out their faith.

All of this helps people.

Yes, this helps people. But people don't just need material wealth. There are other things that matter in life. Can't we get beyond this incessant drive to make more money and buy more things? It seems as though consumerism is the main religion of the United States.