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[Brickboy240]

Hitler did the same thing. So did Mussolini. Big deal.

Obama is just playing to angry and disillusioned people...playing on their fears...on their class envy and misplaced anger. Its being sold as "hope" but to me, it sounds like an "us versus them" type of approach. Bush might have said "if you're not with us...you're with the terrorists" but its as if Obama is saying "if you're not with me....you're an old hick racist." Is either of these a good approach?

Its as if Obama does not really care for America as it is right now...but for what he could possibly mould it into being. It is more than obvious that he and his wife have a chip on their shoulder or something to prove.

Do we want someone like this representing us? I hope not.

(and it has nothing to do with his odd sounding name or his race)

- Brickboy240

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by justgotback

That is the extreme exception. Patial birth abortions are more frequent that you want to believe, and it isn't becasue of medical emergencies. Your boy Obama wants to make them legal again after they were made illegal.....

I don't think they are more common, and I don't think Obama is going to touch the abortion issue OR the gun issue. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. The Democratic Party is trying to be more moderate on these issues.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Hitler did the same thing. So did Mussolini. Big deal.

Obama is just playing to angry and disillusioned people...playing on their fears...on their class envy and misplaced anger. Its being sold as "hope" but to me, it sounds like an "us versus them" type of approach. Bush might have said "if you're not with us...you're with the terrorists" but its as if Obama is saying "if you're not with me....you're an old hick racist." Is either of these a good approach?

Its as if Obama does not really care for America as it is right now...but for what he could possibly mould it into being. It is more than obvious that he and his wife have a chip on their shoulder or something to prove.

Do we want someone like this representing us? I hope not.

(and it has nothing to do with his odd sounding name or his race)

- Brickboy240

I have listened to Obama some and to his wife very little. I agree that she seems to have this "victim" mentality where she thinks people are helpless and need to be rescued. But I don't think he has that same outlook.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Obama is more redistributionist in his leanings, but he still believes in the capitalist system. Many people think the oil companies are taking unfair profits.

If you looked at the donors to Obama's campaign and to McCain's they would likely have a lot of overlap.

Exactly how is "redistributionist" and different than "socialist" in regards to transfers of wealth?

Semantics, what a game!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Exactly how is "redistributionist" and different than "socialist" in regards to transfers of wealth?

Semantics, what a game!

Socialism is the government or a collective owning the means of production. That's not what's happening in the U.S. We might have the opposite problem where business owns the government!

Redistributionism is the government seeing inequities in the system and trying to correct them. Wide disparities in wealth are not conducive to a democratic society.

[trik396]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Because Americans want to be inspired.

I am inspired. No need for further inspiration in my household. My mother and father inspired me by raising a family and going to work everyday. They worked hard to attain this American dream. They showed me the way. My grandparents inspired me the same way. My grandfather worked swing shift (a different shift every week) for 43 years at US Steel. A very hard work environment and I never heard him say a bad word about it. My wife inspires me that she holds an incredibly stressful position in an important job AND goes to school at night to obtain her masters degree.
Why is all this inspiration required? Isn't it all right in front of our noses? The way this country was built?

[Krackels]

Obama eats babies and cheats on his taxes.














... sorry just trying to make this site live up to your claim.

[zulu45]

This reminds me of this story I saw on some website (it's been passed around the net.) I saved it as a .txt file for a time just like this.

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too
hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party"

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Socialism is the government or a collective owning the means of production. That's not what's happening in the U.S. We might have the opposite problem where business owns the government!

Redistributionism is the government seeing inequities in the system and trying to correct them. Wide disparities in wealth are not conducive to a democratic society.

My question was in regards to transfers of wealth. In a Capitalist Constitutional Republic that practices Democracy there is no ceiling to how much you can accumulate. Show me where the Constitution says "There shall be equity for all citizens possessions" and maybe I'll agree with you. Until then, you're way, way out there on this topic.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Your theory is right out of the playbook.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by trik396

I am inspired. No need for further inspiration in my household. My mother and father inspired me by raising a family and going to work everyday. They worked hard to attain this American dream. They showed me the way. My grandparents inspired me the same way. My grandfather worked swing shift (a different shift every week) for 43 years at US Steel. A very hard work environment and I never heard him say a bad word about it. My wife inspires me that she holds an incredibly stressful position in an important job AND goes to school at night to obtain her masters degree.
Why is all this inspiration required? Isn't it all right in front of our noses? The way this country was built?

I find the work ethic that you describe very admirable, and something worthy of all of our efforts.

Don't you think people aspire to do something to help society or help the world at large? Something beyond themselves or their own narrow interests?