I hope gas prices hit 6 dollars a gallon. Burn SUVs, Burn :)

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by afmo

what kind of car do you drive?

I have a Kia Rio with a 8ish gallon tank, but it doesn't get nearly the gas mileage the yaris does.

I drive an old Mazda 323. It's looking pretty shabby, but it is super reliable and runs great.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Local dealer here had a demo Yukon Denali showcased for $11,000...What does that tell ya?

That I can almost buy $30,000 worth of fuel for the difference when compared to that $40,000 converted Ford Ranger with a 30-40 mile Highway range.

If the market and technology continues, it will someday be feasible ... Until that day ... It just means the market is shifting, and priorities are changing.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by Magicite

I've been reading countless threads on here before posting this. I'm not a troll, just someone who has some pretty radical politcal feelings.

Here's the deal. We will always be dependent on oil unless we have a reason not to be. Period.

How do you suggest we come off oil? Because increasing supply will only make us MORE dependent. And that's what I see here all day. More drilling. Open up this area. Oil shales this (Canada is our leading supplier of oil by the way). I'm being realistic here and saying that he only way we will stop buying so much oil is if we can't afford it.

At what point will you stop buying oil and consider serious alternatives? I posted an electric vehicle that gets 200 miles per charge and only cost 3 dollars to charge. Bank of America and Wachovia will finance them. We are living in an age where the tech is available, it's just not mainstream.


So how do you propose oil indepenence?

what is the next energy efficient technology then hmm? Electric cars don't solve the hydrocarbon thing, the batteries are inneficient and don't last long enough and cost too much. Hydrogen is potentially dangerous, inefficient, and still requires a lot of energy to produce.

i'm curious, you say the tech is available....what is it?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Glock Killer

$78 last time I filled up. I'd love to find another mode of transportation, if I could stomach a loan and insurance on a trendy Vespa.

How far are you from Portland? I heard that it has seen a dramatic increase in bicycle sales.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Yes...Haven't you?

She's probably in the denial phase, or has never managed a budget.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I drive an old Mazda 323. It's looking pretty shabby, but it is super reliable and runs great.

Sounds like my Kia

She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts kid...

(bonus points for the movie thats from!)

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Can it be attributed to normal inflation? I don't know. I am not that great about adhering to a budget, and I shop at an expensive grocery store anyway.

Case closed.

[DanTheEldest]

Originally Posted by afmo

Sounds like my Kia

She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts kid...

(bonus points for the movie thats from!)

But can it do the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs?

[Magicite]

The troll thing kinda hurt =/

I'm not a troll. I go through these forums almost every day and I look for stuff worth reading and I never find anything worth talking about that isn't political. And most of it's Anti-Obama. Which I thought about going the obama route, but than I figured that had been done time and time again here, so I thought of what would really be a fun debate and 6 dollar gas seemed to be the winner. Did I mention I have an xd40 SC and I'm about to buy a 1911? Would that make me a little less trollish?

I honestly believe in higher gas. I honestly believe we can change our energy consumption. I never said how that gas would get higher. Taxing it would be ridiculous, so chances are gass on't hit above 5 dollars for a very long time. I believe that with the way the world is growing, technology and people wise, that we're not too long away from 6 dollar a gallon gas. I also believe that we're already moving in the right direction, but I don't think beat a dead dog is the way to go (oil).

Did I mention I'm not a troll? I just didn't find any gun topics worth going over.

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Magicite

I've been reading countless threads on here before posting this. I'm not a troll, just someone who has some pretty radical politcal feelings.

Here's the deal. We will always be dependent on oil unless we have a reason not to be. Period.

How do you suggest we come off oil? Because increasing supply will only make us MORE dependent. And that's what I see here all day. More drilling. Open up this area. Oil shales this (Canada is our leading supplier of oil by the way). I'm being realistic here and saying that he only way we will stop buying so much oil is if we can't afford it.

At what point will you stop buying oil and consider serious alternatives? I posted an electric vehicle that gets 200 miles per charge and only cost 3 dollars to charge. Bank of America and Wachovia will finance them. We are living in an age where the tech is available, it's just not mainstream.


So how do you propose oil indepenence?

I don't propose oil independence. I propose we use every resource at our disposal until there is no longer sufficient need, or desire for it.

I believe largely in a Laisse-Faire economic principles. The people have the right to buy and use what they want.

Let me break down the economic principle on my end for ya, buck-o! as I have before.

Currently gas is around 3.80 in my neighborhood, but at it's high it was around 4.50

Now my xTerra (a mid sized SUV, which I use often because I enjoy 4 wheeling in the desert and getting to out of the way places, also I like having the possibility of a bug-out vehicle in case of a major disaster) gets about 18 miles to the gallon in the city.

Lets say gas WAS 6.00 a gallon, this would put me smack dab at 1/3 dollar per gallon. (0.333333333333 for those of you who LOVE decimals)


So lets say I got a bug up my bum and decided to go out and buy a brand new hybrid vehicle, something that got oh-say FIFTY miles to the gallon, thats pretty damned good eh? And lets say I got a HELL of a finance on it and paid, oh I don't know about $12,000 total.

At 50 miles to the gallon I'd be paying .12 per mile.

That means to make up for the amount I spent on that nifty new hybrid, I'd be looking at driving 57,142 miles just to break even.

This is not including the : increased cost in maintenance, the amount I'd be upside down on my old vehicle, taxes and fees, registration increase for having a brand new car, and the money I'd be paying someone to ferry my sorry ass out to the desert every other weekend so I could go target shooting, or the physical discomfort of a 6'3 200 lb man driving a midget-mobile.


Now I don't know how much experience you have with electric motors, but I have some, and I know that they wear out relatively often. Probably well before 60,000 miles.

I also wouldn't put that many miles on my car for, oh I don't know, about 8 years.

So, no thanks. I'll drive my "gas guzzler", even at 6 bucks a gallon it's the better financial decision.