I hope gas prices hit 6 dollars a gallon. Burn SUVs, Burn :)

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

Well I guess that's it for old Magicite. It was short but...so special...to all of us I'm sure.

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

Well I guess that's it for old Magicite. It was short but...so special...to all of us I'm sure.

Yes.

I'm not sure exactly where he came from, but wherever it was his visit was quite quaint, and charmingly ignorant I might add.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KarolinaKid

You can kiss my big fat SUV right in the GAS!

I say we pump that black gold out of every hole in the earth we can find until there's not a drop left then we can figure something else out after it's all burned up!

So enlightened!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Magicite

Here's what has happened.

I said I hope gas goes higher so that lifestyles will change and we'll find alternatives.

You guys said. There are no alternatives. Keep burning oil till the world explodes or my kids hate me.

I said that's crazy and you have to get your head out of the sand and start making changes now.

You said no.

I think we've found where we are.


I also never said anything about farm or industrial uses of oil. You for some odd reason mentioned that. I honestly don't even know what that is about. I like food. If you can't make it with electric engines that's fine. I still need food. I don't need people using trucks that get 9 miles to the gallon driving to the grocery store. Somewhere the lines got crossed.

I also think it's crazy that you guys constantly spout drill this and that. I think you still have not realized that America is only getting bigger. China is only getting bigger. Demand will keep going up. Further oil exploration will only result in further dependence.

Good comment.

[trik396]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

So enlightened!

And you are the best one to judge? Is anyone?

I'm sure some of my posts and your posts have been less than enlightening to the masses.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Powerman

I'm having a real hard time following you. Did you eat paint as a kid?

Let's get something straight. We are not dependent on oil. We are dependent on energy. So you don't want to be dependent on oil. Good for you. Stop using it.

Whatever grand alternative you think is worthy, is whatever energy source we will be dependent on next. If bio deisel was to magically repalce petroleum over night, do you not think we will be dependent and at the supplier's mercy just as so many claim today? Or do you think biodeisel will just flow for free out of fields?

Where do you think electricity comes from? Do you have any idea the generation capacity that would be needed to run our transportation? What impact do you think that would have on the trucking industry? Could you imagine the parking lot space needed for the hours it would take to charge up trucks every 200 miles. Do you even think about this????

Why exactly do you think we need to be free of oil?

Powerman, I do not get your logic here. We are very much dependent on oil.

We are also very much dependent on energy. We eat food to create energy so we can live. Life is energy. What's your point?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Magicite

It's like dealing with a kid.

I never proposed a solution.

I know you like oil.

I merely pointed out that the higher gas is, the more incentive we have to find an alternative. Do you actually have a rebuttal to this point?

There is no rebuttal to that. It's based on the market, which says that if prices go up, demand usually goes down.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Powerman

I don't need to rebutt that higher gas prices will cause us to look for other sources. Duh. Right now though, there is no other alternative that is cheaper. Also, there are conflicting accounts of how much oil we have, what is economically viable, and wether the current market is artificially inflated.

Now answer me this. Why do we need to get off oil???

I'm not usually one to quote the president, but these are some of the reasons we need to get off oil.

Bush: America Must 'Get Off Oil'

WASHINGTON, DC, March 5, 2008 (ENS) - "This conference will seem unbelievably outdated within a decade," President George W. Bush today told participants at WIREC 2008, the third global ministerial-level conference on renewable energy, taking place at the Washington Convention Center. "People will marvel about how far technology has helped change our habits and change the world. And I hope you take great pride in being a part of this constructive change," he said.

"Let me start first by telling you that America has got to change its habits," said Bush. "We've got to get off oil. And the reason why is, first, oil is - dependency on oil presents a real challenge to our economy."

"The dependency upon oil also puts us at the mercy of terrorists. If there's tight supply and demand, all it requires is one terrorist disruption of oil and that price goes even higher," he said. "That dependency presents a challenge to our national security."

"And finally, our dependence on fossil fuels like oil presents a challenge to our environment. When we burn fossil fuels we release greenhouse gases. The concentration of greenhouse gases has increased substantially," said Bush. "We recognize all three of these challenges, and we're doing something about it."

Bush: America Must 'Get Off Oil'

[AZXD]

FYI:
Went shooting with a few XDTALK members and came home to ...

Originally Posted by AZXD

a seriously failed hard-drive ... So sending this from the wifes computer

Oh well ... My box had become an Internet surfer and lasted about 9 years
Time for a new one!!!

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Powerman, I do not get your logic here. We are very much dependent on oil.

We are also very much dependent on energy. We eat food to create energy so we can live. Life is energy. What's your point?

We are dependent on energy. Right now oil provides 40% of that energy. You will not get an argument out of me that our dependence of FOREGIN oil needs to change, but our USE of oil doesn't.

Right now we have several different alternatives being forced down our throat. Use ethanol, use biodeisel, use natural gas, use electricity. Why do you think that is? Because "they" want to corner the next big market and make a killing. If we use those alternatives, we would be no less dependent on natural gas, biodeisel, ethanol, or electricity. How is it that an alternative to oil is still not a dependency on a energy source?

Most of the alternatives still involve combustion. Most of the alternatives will be no cheaper. Most of the alternatives have other consequences. How is it improving our position to get off oil, as long as it is still ecconomical and available? Oil shale and tar sands are viable. Coal to liquid is viable. Natural gas is a band aid, and natural gas prices are quite volitile.

Electrifying our transportation is actually looking very promising to my suprise. Green power is a viable asset to our energy portfolio, but as a suplement, not as a replacement to other sources. Bottom line though, we will be dependent on what ever source it is we use. My only concern is that that dependence comes from domestic sources instead of foreign.