I hope gas prices hit 6 dollars a gallon. Burn SUVs, Burn :)

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally posted by: Magicite

The troll thing kinda hurt =/

I'm not a troll. I go through these forums almost every day and I look for stuff worth reading and I never find anything worth talking about that isn't political. And most of it's Anti-Obama. Which I thought about going the obama route, but than I figured that had been done time and time again here, so I thought of what would really be a fun debate and 6 dollar gas seemed to be the winner. Did I mention I have an xd40 SC and I'm about to buy a 1911? Would that make me a little less trollish?

I honestly believe in higher gas. I honestly believe we can change our energy consumption. I never said how that gas would get higher. Taxing it would be ridiculous, so chances are gass on't hit above 5 dollars for a very long time. I believe that with the way the world is growing, technology and people wise, that we're not too long away from 6 dollar a gallon gas. I also believe that we're already moving in the right direction, but I don't think beat a dead dog is the way to go (oil).

Did I mention I'm not a troll? I just didn't find any gun topics worth going over.

This says it all for me. Go away troll. You're an argument looking for a place to happen.

[Magicite]

Here's what has happened.

I said I hope gas goes higher so that lifestyles will change and we'll find alternatives.

You guys said. There are no alternatives. Keep burning oil till the world explodes or my kids hate me.

I said that's crazy and you have to get your head out of the sand and start making changes now.

You said no.

I think we've found where we are.


I also never said anything about farm or industrial uses of oil. You for some odd reason mentioned that. I honestly don't even know what that is about. I like food. If you can't make it with electric engines that's fine. I still need food. I don't need people using trucks that get 9 miles to the gallon driving to the grocery store. Somewhere the lines got crossed.

I also think it's crazy that you guys constantly spout drill this and that. I think you still have not realized that America is only getting bigger. China is only getting bigger. Demand will keep going up. Further oil exploration will only result in further dependence.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

This says it all for me. Go away troll. You're an argument looking for a place to happen.

[XDConvert9mm]

Any solutions for us yet troll?

[lobster_roboto]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Any solutions for us yet troll?

My solution doesn't count because I'm not a troll?



That hurt my feelings.

[AZXD]

I hope gas prices hit 6 dollars a gallon. Burn SUVs, Burn

Originally Posted by Magicite

I hate to break it to you guys, but high gas prices are the best possible thing that could happen. WTF you say? Well, it's simple really.

Gas goes up. You can't afford gas. You find another way around.

Gas goes down. You can afford gas. You buy a bigger SUV.


This is why it's important to keep high gas prices. To be quite honest, I hope gas hits 6 dollars a gallon. I live in Atlanta, and it'll make me happier than anything to see these single women no longer driving escalades. Oh, and you may be wondering what I do for a living?

I run a construction company and spend roughly 800+ in fuel each week. I live in a world that is VERY influenced by fuel costs. Which is why I've been personally switching over to biodiesel.

Cheap oil prices will only breed more foreign oil dependence. So instead of thinking of oil based solutions, think of other solutions. Like electric powered trucks that get 200 miles per charge. How much to charge the truck you ask? Roughly 3 dollars. And it's already here. Trucks

That's 3 dollars to drive 200 miles! The truck pays for itself in 3 years.

Not to mention we could go completely clean for electricity issues such as here T. Boone Pickens: Kicking Off the World’s Largest Wind Farm Earth2Tech This is a guy who's been in the oil industry for over 50 years! You want to talk about a guy who knows energy. We CAN become independent energy wise. We can become more eco friendly.

Which is why it annoys me when I constantly here about refinery this, drill that, foreign oil etc. Oil hasn't gone away because it's big business. The government made around 58 billion last year in oil taxes alone TaxProf Blog: Gas Taxes Exceed Oil Companies' Profits That's a LOT of money. So is it any wonder that we're still using resources we don't have to? It's simply good business... at least for the oil companies and the government. Sadly it's bad business for us, and even more so for our children.

So when you talk about energy plans please remember that we are only as dependent upon oil as we choose to be. America is THE most innovative and creative country by far. We've always done far more with what we had, and in more ingenious ways. Do I need to point out that quite a few american inventors have been key in changing the very way the world lives? So why are we still looking at refineries, and drilling? Why are we not saying "raise gas prices!". These leads to us consuming less gas and doing more with what we have. Honestly on a forum that seems super patriotic, this seems to be the most patriotic thing of all. To push for change in the RIGHT direction.

To push for an energy independent country that can meet not only our needs, but our childrens needs.

Originally Posted by Magicite

Here's what has happened.

I said I hope gas goes higher so that lifestyles will change and we'll find alternatives.

You guys said. There are no alternatives. Keep burning oil till the world explodes or my kids hate me.

I said that's crazy and you have to get your head out of the sand and start making changes now.

You said no.

I think we've found where we are.


I also never said anything about farm or industrial uses of oil. You for some odd reason mentioned that. I honestly don't even know what that is about. I like food. If you can't make it with electric engines that's fine. I still need food. I don't need people using trucks that get 9 miles to the gallon driving to the grocery store. Somewhere the lines got crossed.

I also think it's crazy that you guys constantly spout drill this and that. I think you still have not realized that America is only getting bigger. China is only getting bigger. Demand will keep going up. Further oil exploration will only result in further dependence.

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by Magicite

I've been reading countless threads on here before posting this. I'm not a troll, just someone who has some pretty radical politcal feelings.

Here's the deal. We will always be dependent on oil unless we have a reason not to be. Period.

How do you suggest we come off oil? Because increasing supply will only make us MORE dependent. And that's what I see here all day. More drilling. Open up this area. Oil shales this (Canada is our leading supplier of oil by the way). I'm being realistic here and saying that he only way we will stop buying so much oil is if we can't afford it.

At what point will you stop buying oil and consider serious alternatives? I posted an electric vehicle that gets 200 miles per charge and only cost 3 dollars to charge. Bank of America and Wachovia will finance them. We are living in an age where the tech is available, it's just not mainstream.


So how do you propose oil indepenence?

I'm having a real hard time following you. Did you eat paint as a kid?

Let's get something straight. We are not dependent on oil. We are dependent on energy. So you don't want to be dependent on oil. Good for you. Stop using it.

Whatever grand alternative you think is worthy, is whatever energy source we will be dependent on next. If bio deisel was to magically repalce petroleum over night, do you not think we will be dependent and at the supplier's mercy just as so many claim today? Or do you think biodeisel will just flow for free out of fields?

Where do you think electricity comes from? Do you have any idea the generation capacity that would be needed to run our transportation? What impact do you think that would have on the trucking industry? Could you imagine the parking lot space needed for the hours it would take to charge up trucks every 200 miles. Do you even think about this????

Why exactly do you think we need to be free of oil?

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Powerman

I'm having a real hard time following you. Did you eat paint as a kid?

For real .... That's the first time I actually laughed out loud.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by lobster_roboto

****....

Not once was the solution ever mentioned...


Which for the record is a vague one-liner "CHANGE"


Seriously though...

For the sake of this train wreck of a thread.

what about Waste-VO as an offset?

Supposedly the US alone produces 10+ billion liters of waste-VO annually..

Just trying to be objective here... no real thought has been put into this "solution" just trying to add another train to the mix.


I would drive the crap out of a vehicle that ran on my trash.

Originally Posted by lobster_roboto

My solution doesn't count because I'm not a troll?



That hurt my feelings.

Sorry to jump over things LR, this is something I really dont know what the VO part of you're post means. Is this Methane? I was a little focused before.

[Magicite]

I never proposed a solution. I offered technology trends. I pointed out that higher gas prices push us towards independence. I used the prius as an example. I also used horrible suv sales as an example.

My point was that higher prices lead to less dependence. You guys never defeated that point in ANY way. You merely said babies won't get diapers and poor people don't get fruit.

Then you started pressing me for solutions after not being able to defeat my original point which is high gas prices lead to oil independence.

Who's the real troll?