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JackBall51 · 07-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Why do we all go around speaking as if one man has the power to make all the decisions in government. It takes the Senate and Congress to do anything. Be it McCain, Obama or whom ever. They cannot do anything without Senate and Congress approval.

No one man has ever made decisions in the Whitehouse without the Senate and Congress. President Bush did not decide to go into Afganistan and Iraq by himself.

What's important is who we send to the Senate and Congress. We are being bam-boozled into thinking that the Presidential Election is more important than local elections.

Think about this, can you make an appointment to see the President of the United States? A government by the people for the people means your representatives you send to Washington to represent you. It seems to me we need to spend more time understanding whom we are sending to represent us than who is sitting in the Whitehouse. Since we are so focused on what we think is important, electing a President. Each year it seems less people are participating in their local electorial process. You cast a vote for someone who can't represent you (President), but fail to show up for the candidate that can represent you (Senator, Congressman, State and Local politicians).

So, we continue to focus on the virtual race, yet ignore the real race and that is our State and Local races. Federal agencies can pass laws, but it is the states that must enforce those laws. I'd much rather cast my vote for the person that I can talk to and who understands the needs of his constituants.

The Federal Government says the people have the right to bear arms, but our local government says you can keep a unloaded gun in your home under lock and your ammo has to be in another room under lock. Now who has more control?

Bottomline, it will not matter rather McCain, Obama, Tom, Dick or Harry is in office. They can only do what the people's representatives allow them to do.

So for all those that think McCain is the answer, remember over 7 years ago we thought George was the answer. Those who think Obama's the answer, you thought the Clinton's was the answer.

Nothing will change until we take a serious look at who we are sending to represent us.

I'm Jackball51 and I approve this message.

**AZXD** · 07-03-2008, 10:10 PM

Right!
So what of the Supreme Court Justices they will want to appoint.

Bottomline ..... We're most likely gonna loose three of the judges due to retirement or worse ..... We have a very liberal group of representatives who seem to not listen to the people ..... So bottomline, as you say ... It matters much more than you might think.

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Originally Posted by JackBall51

Bottomline, it will not matter rather McCain, Obama, Tom, Dick or Harry is in office. They can only do what the people's representatives allow them to do.
I'm Jackball51 and I approve this message.

gsx1138 · 07-03-2008, 10:13 PM

Very much agreed. But both sides will demonize the other and the President is the easiest target. Now Bush is a moron. He makes it too easy to be criticized. People who think that if they vote for this party or that are really just getting the same bullsh!t wrapped in a different package. If the people of Chicago wanted to own guns then they could easily elect those that would change the law. But they don't. They are willing to live in their dangerous delusion.

If Obama gets elected this year it's not the end of the world. In fact, I'm betting you're not going to see much of a "change" at all. For all the b!tching done by the Democrats about Bush, they've been more than complicate. Republican or Democrat it will be business as usual. So you can vote for some guy bought off by energy corporations and bankers or some guy bought off by minority lobbies and environmental groups. At the end of the day your ass is still going to hurt from getting f_cked.

If you live in Washington State, please vote for Dino Rossi. He may be Republican but we desperately need someone other than a Democrat.

XDConvert9mm · 07-03-2008, 10:14 PM

Interesting post for an almost first JB. Welcome to XDTalk, as well as the Political View. Please put your seatback and tray table in the upright and locked position!

I think you might be under what I consider to be a mistaken assumption that those of us that post on National political issues here don't pay attention to our more local areas.

I make the assumption, possibly mistakenly but don't think do, that most of us follow and support local/state politics just as closely if not more so than National for the exact reasons you mentioned. We just don't post as much about it here (there is some) due to the National/International scope of the membership of this board. After all, what is happening in say....Davenport, IA doesn't have quite the impact of the issues flowing from D.C. when I live in Atlanta.

Welcome again and enjoy it. There's a lot of good information and good people here.

Green Man · 07-04-2008, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackBall51

Why do we all go around speaking as if one man has the power to make all the decisions in government. It takes the Senate and Congress to do anything. Be it McCain, Obama or whom ever. They cannot do anything without Senate and Congress approval.

No one man has ever made decisions in the Whitehouse without the Senate and Congress. President Bush did not decide to go into Afganistan and Iraq by himself.

What's important is who we send to the Senate and Congress. We are being bam-boozled into thinking that the Presidential Election is more important than local elections.

Think about this, can you make an appointment to see the President of the United States? A government by the people for the people means your representatives you send to Washington to represent you. It seems to me we need to spend more time understanding whom we are sending to represent us than who is sitting in the Whitehouse. Since we are so focused on what we think is important, electing a President. Each year it seems less people are participating in their local electorial process. You cast a vote for someone who can't represent you (President), but fail to show up for the candidate that can represent you (Senator, Congressman, State and Local politicians).

So, we continue to focus on the virtual race, yet ignore the real race and that is our State and Local races. Federal agencies can pass laws, but it is the states that must enforce those laws. I'd much rather cast my vote for the person that I can talk to and who understands the needs of his constituants.

The Federal Government says the people have the right to bear arms, but our local government says you can keep a unloaded gun in your home under lock and your ammo has to be in another room under lock. Now who has more control?

Bottomline, it will not matter rather McCain, Obama, Tom, Dick or Harry is in office. They can only do what the people's representatives allow them to do.

So for all those that think McCain is the answer, remember over 7 years ago we thought George was the answer. Those who think Obama's the answer, you thought the Clinton's was the answer.

Nothing will change until we take a serious look at who we are sending to represent us.

I'm Jackball51 and I approve this message.

All elections matter, from local to national, but the president gets to set the agenda and has lots of power over foreign affairs. That's why I'm voting for Obama. McCain is just Bush with a better environmental policy. If Gore would have won in 2000, this country would be in better shape.

XDConvert9mm · 07-04-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Man

All elections matter, from local to national, but the president gets to set the agenda and has lots of power over foreign affairs. That's why I'm voting for Obama. McCain is just Bush with a better environmental policy. If Gore would have won in 2000, this country would be in better shape.

And Obama is just Carter without as strong of an Economic policy.

retired · 07-04-2008, 02:03 PM

Green Man, as a member of a gun forum, it puzzles me why you would support a candidate who has stated he wants all semi-auto weapons banned. He has also stated, IIRC, that he is against ccw.

Now, I realize this is only one issue of many we should be concerned with in choosing a candidate, but considering this is a gun board after all, your choice of a gun hating candidate puzzles me. Do you agree with him on these positions and if not, why would you vote for him.

**AZXD** · 07-04-2008, 02:17 PM

Good luck getting a valid answer.

Green Man · 07-04-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by retired

Green Man, as a member of a gun forum, it puzzles me why you would support a candidate who has stated he wants all semi-auto weapons banned. He has also stated, IIRC, that he is against ccw.

Now, I realize this is only one issue of many we should be concerned with in choosing a candidate, but considering this is a gun board after all, your choice of a gun hating candidate puzzles me. Do you agree with him on these positions and if not, why would you vote for him.

The vitality of the country is more important than the gun issues. McCain is riding failed policies and thinks they will somehow be different this time around.

The Democrats are not going to touch the gun issue this time around. They followed Bill Clinton off the plank and paid for it by losing their majorities that they are just regaining back again.

Green Man · 07-04-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

And Obama is just Carter without as strong of an Economic policy.

Comparing Obama to Carter shows your lack of understanding about politics.

07-03-2008, 09:58 PM	#1
JackBall51 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 18	Here is my Political View Why do we all go around speaking as if one man has the power to make all the decisions in government. It takes the Senate and Congress to do anything. Be it McCain, Obama or whom ever. They cannot do anything without Senate and Congress approval. No one man has ever made decisions in the Whitehouse without the Senate and Congress. President Bush did not decide to go into Afganistan and Iraq by himself. What's important is who we send to the Senate and Congress. We are being bam-boozled into thinking that the Presidential Election is more important than local elections. Think about this, can you make an appointment to see the President of the United States? A government by the people for the people means your representatives you send to Washington to represent you. It seems to me we need to spend more time understanding whom we are sending to represent us than who is sitting in the Whitehouse. Since we are so focused on what we think is important, electing a President. Each year it seems less people are participating in their local electorial process. You cast a vote for someone who can't represent you (President), but fail to show up for the candidate that can represent you (Senator, Congressman, State and Local politicians). So, we continue to focus on the virtual race, yet ignore the real race and that is our State and Local races. Federal agencies can pass laws, but it is the states that must enforce those laws. I'd much rather cast my vote for the person that I can talk to and who understands the needs of his constituants. The Federal Government says the people have the right to bear arms, but our local government says you can keep a unloaded gun in your home under lock and your ammo has to be in another room under lock. Now who has more control? Bottomline, it will not matter rather McCain, Obama, Tom, Dick or Harry is in office. They can only do what the people's representatives allow them to do. So for all those that think McCain is the answer, remember over 7 years ago we thought George was the answer. Those who think Obama's the answer, you thought the Clinton's was the answer. Nothing will change until we take a serious look at who we are sending to represent us. I'm Jackball51 and I approve this message.

07-03-2008, 10:13 PM	#3
gsx1138 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bremerton, Wa Posts: 387	Very much agreed. But both sides will demonize the other and the President is the easiest target. Now Bush is a moron. He makes it too easy to be criticized. People who think that if they vote for this party or that are really just getting the same bullsh!t wrapped in a different package. If the people of Chicago wanted to own guns then they could easily elect those that would change the law. But they don't. They are willing to live in their dangerous delusion. If Obama gets elected this year it's not the end of the world. In fact, I'm betting you're not going to see much of a "change" at all. For all the b!tching done by the Democrats about Bush, they've been more than complicate. Republican or Democrat it will be business as usual. So you can vote for some guy bought off by energy corporations and bankers or some guy bought off by minority lobbies and environmental groups. At the end of the day your ass is still going to hurt from getting f_cked. If you live in Washington State, please vote for Dino Rossi. He may be Republican but we desperately need someone other than a Democrat. __________________ “The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."” ~ George Carlin on the flamethrower Yeah, it's me: http://www.myspace.com/yngvar Wake up America, watch: America Freedom to Fascism

07-03-2008, 10:14 PM	#4
XDConvert9mm XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Atlanta Suburbs Posts: 4,637	Interesting post for an almost first JB. Welcome to XDTalk, as well as the Political View. Please put your seatback and tray table in the upright and locked position! I think you might be under what I consider to be a mistaken assumption that those of us that post on National political issues here don't pay attention to our more local areas. I make the assumption, possibly mistakenly but don't think do, that most of us follow and support local/state politics just as closely if not more so than National for the exact reasons you mentioned. We just don't post as much about it here (there is some) due to the National/International scope of the membership of this board. After all, what is happening in say....Davenport, IA doesn't have quite the impact of the issues flowing from D.C. when I live in Atlanta. Welcome again and enjoy it. There's a lot of good information and good people here. __________________ "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

07-04-2008, 02:17 PM	#8
AZXD XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Valley of the GUN Posts: 14,725	Good luck getting a valid answer. __________________ SCOTUS judge appointments ... Will last much longer than Obama or McCain. Who do you want selecting people who have the ability to support or remove individual rights ?? AZXD At least I don't need any Viagra just to get myself to a point where I can do the Palin librarian fantasy Veep thing. KEVWYO There are a bunch of you that need to hit the head and grab your jar of vaseline and just get it over with. KEVWYO

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07-04-2008, 02:03 PM	#7
retired XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: S. Calif. Posts: 5,407	Green Man, as a member of a gun forum, it puzzles me why you would support a candidate who has stated he wants all semi-auto weapons banned. He has also stated, IIRC, that he is against ccw. Now, I realize this is only one issue of many we should be concerned with in choosing a candidate, but considering this is a gun board after all, your choice of a gun hating candidate puzzles me. Do you agree with him on these positions and if not, why would you vote for him.