Drilling For Answers on Obama's Claims

[longtalltechsan]

Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave

China is doing just that....Starting to Drill 45 miles from FL. Where we can not drill in our own back yard.....

You beat me to it Dave. Yeah, China hasn't actually started drilling, but they just signed a 100 year lease to drill off the Florida coast. Let's see, the environmentalists are worried about oil spills and such. I am sure that China will take every known precaution to prevent such a disaster from occurring. Especially after all the crap from them got recalled in the last couple of years.

[Brickboy240]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand...but its obvious that it is!

If we drill and refine HERE and ween ourselves off foreign oil dependency, then we are MUCH less subjected to the increased demands on the world market by India and China. Yes...WE then, control the supply...not the foreign countries.

If we can get to a point (and most people I know in the biz think we can...if we can get govt. out of the way) that we control our own oil supply, then the spikes, shortages and increases can be taken out of the picture. Come on...we know what our daily demands are and can plan our own energy future.

At the same time that we make strides towards controlling our own supply of oil, we increase the fuel efficiency of our cars and use nuclear, wind power (where it is feasable), solar power (again...where it is feasable) and natural gas for electricity generation.

With the introduction of alternatives for electricity production and US control of our own supply, our demand could actually drop. Again...if we control OUR supply an our demand drops...why wouldn't prices at the pump go down by quite a bit?

Carbon taxes or cap and trade? Forget it. Just another govt program that could easily become wrought with fraud and abuse and will probably receive no more oversight than the spending of other tax dollars they already collect. Like communism...it SOUNDS good on paper, but the chances of it working out to be something valuable are very very slim. There is no historical basis or proof that any schemes like this have EVER worked or been advantageous. We'd probably never be able to get rid of the plan later on, as bad govt. ideas seem to be very hard to kill. This is another leftist pipe dream that has never owrked but the left thinks THEY have enough gray matter to make this version actualy work. I don't think we can afford to roll these dice...sorry!

Electric cars? Hydrogen cars? Well...if private industry makes these economical enough for mass production...I have no probmes introducing these into the mix as well. Again..govt needs to let private industry figure out the alternatives and introduce them as they develop on their own and stop trying to force private industry's hand. If it turns out that hydrogen or electric cars take over and we phase out gas powered cars altogether...great...but again...let the market decide this and stop trying to force its hand.

Its going to take all of these things happening TOGETHER for us to win this energy battle. However, the left thinks they can just punish the oil biz and that will encourage them to lower prices (how?) or they secretly wish for 15 bucks a gallon so that this will change people's behavior and don't care if it crashes the rest of whats left of our economy.

There is actually one bonehead around here that is hoping for higher gas prices! As if higher gas prices will have NO other ill effects on his world than forcing somebody out of their SUV that he does not like. You have GOT to be kidding me! That is short-sightedness on an amazing scale. This type of thinking gave us ethanol and expensive food and corn...haven't we had enough of this?

Well, thats a silly and overly simple view...usually formed about by people that have NEVER worked a day in the energy biz. People that just hate big business or the oil industry and see this as their big chance to crash it. People that don't think about the unindended consequences (like the high corn prices) and will probably claim no responsibility when things go farther sideways than they are right now. I am overly hard on these types, because we are reaching a tipping point where the actions of these sorts will do irreparable damage to our country and way of life if we don't defeat this lins of thinking. The red light on the dashboard just went on...

So yes...if you ARE serious about energy independence...we are GOING to need oil and to be a major player in the SUPPLY end of this business...in conjunction with other energy sources for a very long time. Most of those on the left want to rush things or force the markets. Again...any review of economic history will show you that this has never produced the results it seeks. Still...every election cycle, some lefitst idealists think THEIR version of this bad idea will somehow work.

- brickboy240

PS: All this energy stuff takes TIME...and lots of it. It took us 30 plus years to get into this mess...it might take that long to get out of it but the longer we wait, the more it will cost and the longer it will take.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Your point is well taken, and I agree. Consumption would have an impact, but to what degree base on world demand.

Our demands here at home are falling, and we've all seen what continues to happen with prices. As quickly as we cut our uses the rest of the newly industrializing world sucks it right up. China's move to increase gas prices by 18% is encouraging but they're outrageous growth will make this a very slight slowing to their appetite for Oil. They're adding 5000 cars a day in China alone and increasing that pace every day as well. We can't conserve enough here to have a world impact on prices and still function as an economy and society at this time.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Let China and India do what they need to do for their energy needs. The U.S. should focus on technology for developing renewable resources. We have the best technology and the best scientists in the world (and if we don't, we can get them). That's where the economy should grow - in new technology.

That's a vague and very PC answer. Show me a viable and marketable source that might be available to the mass market in the next, oh, say 5 years even and you might have a point. Since that does not exist, the problem remains.

[trik396]

Some people are living in a fantasy world if they believe we can do without oil. I wonder what the color of the sky is in Etta's world?

[JeffXD]

Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices.

I know this has been beaten to death, but here at the top 10 instances of Democrat resistance to allowing the US to become less dependent on foreign oil.

American Thinker: Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices

[AZXD]

Well heck ... It's to good to not, at least, post the headings

1. Defeat of President Bush's 2001 energy package
2. Speculation
3. The Global Warming Myth
4. Reduced competition
5. Refinery capacity
6. Coal
7. Nuclear power
8. Insistence on alternative fuels
9. Coastal Drilling
10. ANWR

Remember that the next time you pull up to the pump ... or the voter's booth.

Originally Posted by JeffXD

Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices.

I know this has been beaten to death, but here at the top 10 instances of Democrat resistance to allowing the US to become less dependent on foreign oil.

American Thinker: Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices

[FLSTFI Dave]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

That's a vague and very PC answer. Show me a viable and marketable source that might be available to the mass market in the next, oh, say 5 years even and you might have a point. Since that does not exist, the problem remains.

That is one of the funny points of the democrat agument about new drilling. Dmemocrats keep trying to convince people it will be ten years before New Drilling would impact the cost of Oil in the USA.

Yet, no one can show a viable alternate source that could be on the market in the next ten or even 20 years. Heck one demcocrat source pushing for 8 dollars a gallon gas is saying 25 years before the break through for alternative energy...

Also ten years to get new wells producing oil is a LIE. Most of the new drilling they want can have the well producing in between two and five years depending on which area the well is in....

[AZXD]

Whether it's 5 years, 10 years, or 20 years ... The same mentality can and should be reversed as an argument point by those with a national voice, and then quickly countered by the same person to show just how stupid the mentality is. Sarcasm would also work as a method to show the stupidity of the Democratic argument.

Example:
Well gee ... If we stopped polluting ... It might be 5, 10, 20 years, or more before we could see a change ... So why do it

Besides energy is not about the cost at the pump, it's about not being an economic slave to another nation.
I really wish the Promoters of utilizing our natural resources as we also explore/develop alternative energy sources and methods of use ... Would start talking about this aspect.

Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave

That is one of the funny points of the democrat agument about new drilling. Dmemocrats keep trying to convince people it will be ten years before New Drilling would impact the cost of Oil in the USA.

Yet, no one can show a viable alternate source that could be on the market in the next ten or even 20 years. Heck one demcocrat source pushing for 8 dollars a gallon gas is saying 25 years before the break through for alternative energy...

Also ten years to get new wells producing oil is a LIE. Most of the new drilling they want can have the well producing in between two and five years depending on which area the well is in....

[amishclark]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

There is actually one bonehead around here that is hoping for higher gas prices! As if higher gas prices will have NO other ill effects on his world than forcing somebody out of their SUV that he does not like. You have GOT to be kidding me! That is short-sightedness on an amazing scale. This type of thinking gave us ethanol and expensive food and corn...haven't we had enough of this?

i can't resist...i fully understand the ripple effects of higher gas prices, but again you're stuck on school of economic thought and i'm on another...and you're right about ethanol and expensive food and corn. and AZ is right about changes in energy policy ending "slavery to another nation." but what is mccain suggesting (at least in part) in his platform? that we remove the import tax on bio-fuels such as ethanol! so let's think about the ripple effects of this...all of a sudden, places like mexico realize that selling us their corn for fuel is more profitable than selling their own people corn for food. there are already food riots taking place in mexico, india, etc.. we are still a "slave to another nation" for energy sources, but now our image as a nation (and our national security, imho) is threatened by taking food out of people's mouths so we can live comfortably.

what really bothers me about the "drill here" philosophy is not potential environmental damage. i see this philosophy as sort of a "god will provide" course of action...i don't know how else to say it. my personal opinion is that there has to be a line drawn in the sand. i don't know the answer to this so i'm asking. how much will it cost to up our in-country production and refining, and how long will it take before we see a significant impact in energy and fuel costs?

anyway...