Tell me why I should vote for Obama ??

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Judge

Paul doesn't challenge any 'military industrial complex" (I agree with Noam Chomsky that the "military-industrial complex" is a misnomer because the phenomenon in question "is not specifically military. There is no military-industrial complex: it's just the industrial system operating under one or another pretext.") And seeing as how the oil-industrial complex, or the agriculture-industrial complex, or the manufacturing-industrial complex all dwarf the military, I'd be more concerned about those with more clout.

Of course, if Paul keeps up his trends, his shrimpers-industrial complex will end up dwarfing the military one also.

And it's good to know you consider lunacy and hypocrisy to be 'integrity.'

Gold - it's simple, it's a very poor medium for trade, is very illiquid, has to be assayed on each trade (expensive process), is difficult to transport and expensive to store. Due to this, a few major banks became gold storage centers (hence the term "money center banks). Due to their possessing the gold "in trust" this concentrated wealth and influence concentrated power and prestige on a few bankers - such as the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Morgans, the Mellons...

If you want a good read on it, grab Other People's Money and How the Bankers Use It - a collection of essays written by Louis Brandeis (later a Supreme Court Judge)published in 1914. The book attacked the consolidation of various industries under the control of a small number of corporations, which Brandeis alleged were working in concert to prevent competition. Brandeis harshly criticized bankers who controlled large amounts of money/gold deposited in their banks by middle-class people.

The heads of these banks, Brandeis pointed out, routinely sat on the boards of railroad companies and large industrial manufacturers of various products, and routinely directed the resources of their banks to promote the interests of their own companies. These companies, in turn, sought to maintain control of their industries by crushing small businesses and stamping out innovators who developed better products to compete against them.

OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY by Louis D. Brandeis

When you start quoting Chomsky, I get suspicious. Chomsky is pretty much a socialist, so he believes that, not only is the U.S. taxpayer subsidizing the military industry, we are subsidizing companies like Merck and IBM and Microsoft. The government uses the military or the National Institutes of Health or other government agencies to do the research and socialize the risk when private companies are the beneficiaries. The state gets to maintain power and the private sector benefits. Hardly the free enterprises system at work. It sounds like government subsidy of select industries.

Are you saying that because Ron Paul favors the gold standard that he favors the concentration of wealth?

[AZXD]

Eric, all things aside ... When are you due to rotate home ??

[Judge]

I'm no fan of chomsky in general, but he's right on this point and I figured he's someone you'd agree with.

I'm saying that's the result of a gold standard, I doubt paul has the mental prowness to comprehend such.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

When you start quoting Chomsky, I get suspicious. Chomsky is pretty much a socialist, so he believes that, not only is the U.S. taxpayer subsidizing the military industry, we are subsidizing companies like Merck and IBM and Microsoft. The government uses the military or the National Institutes of Health or other government agencies to do the research and socialize the risk when private companies are the beneficiaries. The state gets to maintain power and the private sector benefits. Hardly the free enterprises system at work. It sounds like government subsidy of select industries.

Are you saying that because Ron Paul favors the gold standard that he favors the concentration of wealth?

[IamCPTSpalding]

If the best we can do is provide quotes from a Socialist, make them equal to the words written by a thousand monkeys and spewed by a guy that says "change", then votes against the change......

Wow, the best the Dems have to offer...... I would rather vote for the shoemaker. At least a guy with a hammer is actually doing something.

Wait, something positive.... Oboma claims to be black? Viable.... like an embryo.... What are you wanting me to vote for?

Right, my baby's daddy.... You want to talk positive, well jump down a well and hope you don't hit the bottom. Kiss your rights goodbye and work to give me healthcare sucker.... cause that's what "change" your gonna get.

Now that's positive.

[AZXD]

So I guess you admire me twice as much, Now

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

This is neither here nor there, but I have to admire AZXD's shamelessness in quoting himself in his own signature line.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

My personal opinion was the Bill Richardson had the best credentials of any of the candidates on either side.

He could have used more experience in the private sector, but I do agree that he was the most qualified of the democrats and amongst the most qualified out of them all.

He has been secretary of energy, college professor, governor of NM, congressman, US ambassador, etc....he's FAR more qualified than Obama or Hillary.

I think Obama would be smart to pick him. He has foreign policy experience that Obama doesn't have. He would also appeal to moderates and even some republicans. However, he would be an idiot to accept, because then he would be effectively endorsing some of Obama's positions that he disagrees with, such as gun control (Richardson supporting a CCW law in NM) and illegal immigration. He would be actively working to promote policies that he disagrees with.

Anyhow, reasons to vote for Obama...."he's a great speaker".

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Judge

Of course, if Paul keeps up his trends, his shrimpers-industrial complex will end up dwarfing the military one also.

LMAO!!!

Subsidies to the shrimping industry would probably end up exceeding farm subsidies...

The shrimping festival that he pays for with taxpayer monies would probably end up becoming a national holiday!

Frank