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Brickboy240 · 06-19-2008, 08:54 AM

Hey, I have asked several of the Obama supporters to tell me...in detail...why they like Obama's economic policies and how they think that Obama's policies will inprove our lives and make energy more affordable.

Nobody answered.

Nope...not one answer....the crickets are still chirping.

So what am I to take from this? Well, I have no other choice but to beleive that anyone that supports Obama is completely ignorant of economics and our energy business in this country.

If I am wrong...please...post your reasons of how Obama is right and I am wrong....I'd love to hear it.

I am tired of the lame-o drive-by bumper sticker logic posts....lets hear their best sound reasons for the decision to back Obama. Stop the cut and paste from some other left wing idealogue's website...thats old hat as well. I can back up my beliefs for how and why Obama's plans will spell disaster...the supporters ought to be able to do the same...right?

If I don't hear anything...I have no other choice but to write off the Obama supporters as brain donors...sorry!

(don't bring a knife to a gun fight)

- brickboy240

yeahYeah · 06-19-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amishclark

not to get off topic, but perhaps you should focus on grammar and not sarcasm?

nitpicking i see.

**Frenchy** · 06-19-2008, 09:00 AM

Do either of them have a viable economic policy? I suppose the debates will tell us something.

yeahYeah · 06-19-2008, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Do either of them have a viable economic policy? I suppose the debates will tell us something.

Neither do IMHO - Obamas is more taxation and regulation- which goes w/o saying. McCain has openly said he doesn't know much which will come back to haunt him.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 06-19-2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frenchy

My personal opinion was the Bill Richardson had the best credentials of any of the candidates on either side.

Agree.

ZenMachine · 06-19-2008, 10:52 AM

I have stated in other threads that only issue I basing my decision on who to vote for is national security and in tandem with that foreign affairs. Other issues such as abortion, gay marriage, immigration, and economics to me do not have the urgency that adjusting our national security policy does due to the fact that I think our current policy is leading us down the road to suffer another attack here at home not to mention more attacks on our allies and interests abroad. I think we have not allocated our resources well and have focused on traditional ideas of state power in the last 7 years instead of really having a policy that deals with non-state actors like al-Qaeda.

Obama is the only candidate that has said he would enter Pakistan to get bin Laden and the core leadership of al-Qaeda and that he would begin a withdrawal from Iraq in order to shift our focus to Afghanistan. I believe in this strategic vision, one which McCain does not share. I can already anticipate the answers from some forum members along the lines of, "what about this issue?" I am willing to take the risk of bad Obama policy on every other issue in order to end the waste of lives and money in Iraq and go after our real enemies. To me, the safety of the country and getting out troops out of the quagmire in Iraq is worth the off chance of Obama implementing some of the doomsday policies that people on here speak of yet cannot prove.

On a side note, Brickboy's "take econ 101" is really a tired line. There have been threads on here in which we got into discussions of the different types of economic theory. What you obviously mean by that is you only support the University of Chicago/Milton Friedman/Frederick Hayek school of complete free markets. This is one school economic thought, and although popular among the "conservatives" that have been driving up the national debt in the last 25 years or so, is not the only school of thought. Keynesian theory and the modifications of it provide rebuttals to much Friedman theory. I also notice that you did not attempt to rebut amishclark's support for "deep economy" theory yet just accused Obama supporters of bumper-sticker slogans.

I find that funny because you seem to be a constant fountain of such slogans whether it be "take econ 101" or "voting for Obama is supporting communism" both of which are pretty hollow little attacks. Obama is obviously not a communist, although anyone who doesn't share your economic ideas must be. Great patriots such as Eisenhower obviously believed in a somewhat more socialized system (re: his final speech) than you do yet would you dare call him a communist? Calling Obama supporters brain-dead is an easy out for you because it allows you to avoid engagement of others ideas and most likely pumps up your obviously fragile ego.

FLSTFI Dave · 06-19-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZXD

OK, so at least one Obama supporter has stated that it is easy to criticize a candidate .... So no criticism, PLEASE.

I would like this thread to be about the reasons to vote for Obama.

So supporters .... Weight in make your case .... Take me to school and show me why Obama is the right choice.

Please ... Stay away from the temptation to start a thread asking for the same from McCain until this thread has run it's course.

Wow,

26 replys.....

Two people supporting Obama....

But nothing about any thing he has done

Nothing about how he is the better choice other than...better than McCain

Seriously, with half of America supporting Obama, I would think we could have a big list of accomplishments by now. Or explanations on why his Tax policy is better or why his Forgien policy is better, or why his economic plan is better.....

I am sure waiting to see or read.....

longtalltechsan · 06-19-2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave

Wow,

26 replys.....

Two people supporting Obama....

But nothing about any thing he has done

Nothing about how he is the better choice other than...better than McCain

Seriously, with half of America supporting Obama, I would think we could have a big list of accomplishments by now. Or explanations on why his Tax policy is better or why his Forgien policy is better, or why his economic plan is better.....

I am sure waiting to see or read.....

Apparently you didn't see Zenmachine's post about how Obama will be better on national security and foreign policy.

amishclark · 06-19-2008, 11:43 AM

or mine on environmental policy and abortion rights...obviously your going to get a skewed opinion on a gun forum with (i'd guess) 80% conservatives and 19% "middle of the road"

FLSTFI Dave · 06-19-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

Apparently you didn't see Zenmachine's post about how Obama will be better on national security and foreign policy.

Yes I did.

I am waiting to hear how invading an alliy is good forgien policy....Especially when Obama thinks invading an enimy is bad forgien policy....

I am a lot confused on that.

06-19-2008, 08:54 AM	#21
Brickboy240 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 9,264	Hey, I have asked several of the Obama supporters to tell me...in detail...why they like Obama's economic policies and how they think that Obama's policies will inprove our lives and make energy more affordable. Nobody answered. Nope...not one answer....the crickets are still chirping. So what am I to take from this? Well, I have no other choice but to beleive that anyone that supports Obama is completely ignorant of economics and our energy business in this country. If I am wrong...please...post your reasons of how Obama is right and I am wrong....I'd love to hear it. I am tired of the lame-o drive-by bumper sticker logic posts....lets hear their best sound reasons for the decision to back Obama. Stop the cut and paste from some other left wing idealogue's website...thats old hat as well. I can back up my beliefs for how and why Obama's plans will spell disaster...the supporters ought to be able to do the same...right? If I don't hear anything...I have no other choice but to write off the Obama supporters as brain donors...sorry! (don't bring a knife to a gun fight) - brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

06-19-2008, 09:00 AM	#23
Frenchy XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 13,140	Do either of them have a viable economic policy? I suppose the debates will tell us something. __________________ ~SC Harvey~ 2008 Election..."Imbrace your ignorance, and vote your preference". It's quite simple, really... *If you vote for Obama, you are a fuking idiot. If you vote for McCain, you are a fuking idiot.* *If your vote is for the lessor of two evils, then you can be comforted knowing that you're less of a fuking idiot than the other guy! Because Fritz says so! RON PAUL IN 2008**

06-19-2008, 11:43 AM	#29
amishclark XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: pennsyltucky Posts: 1,577	or mine on environmental policy and abortion rights...obviously your going to get a skewed opinion on a gun forum with (i'd guess) 80% conservatives and 19% "middle of the road" __________________ "sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. all other 'sins' are invented nonsense." - robert a. heinlein

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06-19-2008, 10:52 AM	#26
ZenMachine XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 142	I have stated in other threads that only issue I basing my decision on who to vote for is national security and in tandem with that foreign affairs. Other issues such as abortion, gay marriage, immigration, and economics to me do not have the urgency that adjusting our national security policy does due to the fact that I think our current policy is leading us down the road to suffer another attack here at home not to mention more attacks on our allies and interests abroad. I think we have not allocated our resources well and have focused on traditional ideas of state power in the last 7 years instead of really having a policy that deals with non-state actors like al-Qaeda. Obama is the only candidate that has said he would enter Pakistan to get bin Laden and the core leadership of al-Qaeda and that he would begin a withdrawal from Iraq in order to shift our focus to Afghanistan. I believe in this strategic vision, one which McCain does not share. I can already anticipate the answers from some forum members along the lines of, "what about this issue?" I am willing to take the risk of bad Obama policy on every other issue in order to end the waste of lives and money in Iraq and go after our real enemies. To me, the safety of the country and getting out troops out of the quagmire in Iraq is worth the off chance of Obama implementing some of the doomsday policies that people on here speak of yet cannot prove. On a side note, Brickboy's "take econ 101" is really a tired line. There have been threads on here in which we got into discussions of the different types of economic theory. What you obviously mean by that is you only support the University of Chicago/Milton Friedman/Frederick Hayek school of complete free markets. This is one school economic thought, and although popular among the "conservatives" that have been driving up the national debt in the last 25 years or so, is not the only school of thought. Keynesian theory and the modifications of it provide rebuttals to much Friedman theory. I also notice that you did not attempt to rebut amishclark's support for "deep economy" theory yet just accused Obama supporters of bumper-sticker slogans. I find that funny because you seem to be a constant fountain of such slogans whether it be "take econ 101" or "voting for Obama is supporting communism" both of which are pretty hollow little attacks. Obama is obviously not a communist, although anyone who doesn't share your economic ideas must be. Great patriots such as Eisenhower obviously believed in a somewhat more socialized system (re: his final speech) than you do yet would you dare call him a communist? Calling Obama supporters brain-dead is an easy out for you because it allows you to avoid engagement of others ideas and most likely pumps up your obviously fragile ego.