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[Judge]

You do know your quote from President Bush is another lie don't you?

FactCheck.org: Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?"

Just FYI..

Originally Posted by Delija

SNIP
Peace,
D.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Judge

You do know your quote from President Bush is another lie don't you?

FactCheck.org: Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?"

Just FYI..

So now I know it's "unlikely he said the words in public"? Wow, earth-shattering revelation.

The "FactCheck.org" opinion is just that. Another opinion you prefer to accept as fact.

See how many sources reported the same rant to have actually come out of Bush's mouth. Try Google for a start.

Obviously none of us was there, so we can't know with 100% certainty what he did or did not say. (I'll gve him the benefit of the doubt and remove the quote from my sig based on this not being 100% sure - in good conscience I think that's fair enough).

But it certainly seems within reason to believe the man capable of such words. In general I tend to judge people not by what they say, but by what they do. Given Bush's actions I find it easy to believe he dismissed the Constitution as "just a piece of paper". I did see and hear his reaction to the Supreme Court's decision on the habeas corpus issue last week. Just another example of how he has claimed to "not agree" with the Constitution, or the competence of the Supreme Court (take your pick, one or the other or both).

Good thing there's actual footage of Bush freezing for seven minutes after being told the US was under attack. If we didn't have that video, you'd be telling us how THAT was a "lie" as well.

Or am I wrong. And are you going to tell us that sitting frozen and doing nothing for seven minutes after being told of an attack on New York City was perfectly appropriate behavior for our Commander in Chief...the "leader of the free world". The top banana?

Peace,
D.

[trik396]

D, I do care about this country. I love this country. I believe that if you work hard enough, as you and I obviously have, that things will be fine. No where else on this planet do you have the opportunity afforded to us here.... IF YOU WORK FOR IT. I see too much welfare where I live. What you subsidize you get more of... and more of... I drive by the hood and see the masses sitting on milk crates drinking their 40's. I know they get welfare, food stamps, all that you and I pay for and it makes me sick. I work in a hospital. I have never seen anyone turned away for lack of insurance. Ever. Everyone gets the same treatment whether or not you're rich or poor. Try that in some other countries... We have given the less fortunate in this country a good life, better than they would receive anywhere else. What more do we need to change? Please give me sound examples.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Originally Posted by Delija

We lost Tim Russet just a few days ago. At his memorial today Obama and McCain sat next to each other. The Clintons were there. Virtually all of Washington was there to pay RESPECTS to a respectable man who brought respect to his profession.

And now instead of having the wisdom of Russet to serve the American public with his quest to bring the truth to us all, we now have Hannity stepping up to bring lies and innuendo to us all?

Pathetic!

Today (or yesterday) he, Hannity, was again trying to make Michelle Obama a central figure in his attacks on her husband.

Peace,
D.

Hannity is a comitator, and what he puts out are opinion, and he makes it clear he is a comitator.

What the talking heads on the evening News at NBC do, is claim to be reporters, and claim to be giving fact. When in fact they are comitators for Obama.... And then most of MSNBC is ever worse...

My question to you is why is Hannity a commitator (right wing) more pathetic than a Reporter (left wing)? Commitator by definition is supose to add their comments and spin.....Reporter is supose to be un biased non spun facts.....

Originally Posted by Delija

Why is it that the right wing comedians - I mean "commentators" rely so heavily on smear tactics? Can it be it's because they have no interest or even knowledge about issues?

You don't hear from the Obama supporters about the details of McCain's personal tribulations regarding his divorce from his first wife. You don't hear about the drug addiction of his wife.
Peace,
D.

Can you honestly say, that the left commentators do not do the exact same thing? Alan Combs does exactly what Hannity does, but Alan does it for the left. I have heard Combs utter some truely hateful things on his radio show.

Originally Posted by Delija

If McCain doesn't denounce the smear tactics being employed by the right wing talking heads like Hannity....if he sits back and keeps his mouth shut and lets the "Swiftboating" continue, then that will tell me all I need to know about him. And my plans to vote for McCain (reluctantly in the first place) will certainly change. I'll feel compelled to vote for the guy who is doing what they BOTH had pledged to do....to run their campaigns from the high road.

I never had imagined myself voting for Obama....not until I saw McCain refuse to distance himself from this mudslinging.

Or maybe McCain isn't purposely turning a blind eye to this kind of dirty campaigning.....which leaves us with the other explanation; that he truly IS out of touch with reality.

Peace,
D.

Both have pledged to run campains from the high road. Niether are, as both have fringe support groups running smear or hateful and un true adds about the other. Sure neither ones campain is funing the adds. Neither one is telling these 527 groups to stop either. A good example of Obama supporters doing this is the latest MoveOn.org add. Sure twists what McCain said into a lie, as tries to make people believe that we have a draft in this county...So again, Both sides do it....

I hope you are open minded enough that you can see this.

Let's see Obama chalenged McCain to use Public funds only for the General Election. Obama said he would only use Public funds for the General. Obama has now decided that he can get 500 million more if he opts out, so he did. Obama broke that promise of Change...

McCain is still willing to use Public funds...

Both sides have the same 527 groups so do not use that argument please, it's the same groups I talked about for both sides with the dirty adds.

Originally Posted by Delija

But as of today, I just cannot get past the problem I'm having being on the same side of the political fence as the "angry mob" mentality I see more and more of almost daily right here. How many anti-Obama threads are there now? Any "pro-McCain' threads? None I can recall. (maybe I just missed them?). Lots of negativity. Nothing positive.

Peace,
D.

I frequent many forums. In all honesty on hand gun forum, I would be shocked to see many pro obama threads. I ma not surpized to see lots of anti obama threads. I am suprized to see no pro McCain threads. I am not surpized there are not many threads bashing McCain. This is a hand gun forum. I find very similar on a Diesel truck forum I visit. However I find just the oposite on the boating forum and camping forum I visit.

I see the angry mob from the left also on Camping forums.

A thread was started on this forum for positve reasons one should go for obama, yet very little reasons given other than Change and Hope and Not Bush.

Sad reality Much of the Right is not happy with McCain. He is to Liberal for most of the Right. So this same right is extremely worried about Obama.

Originally Posted by Delija

Those who can't seem to find real issues (the best they can do is "youth and inexperience"?) - LOL....GWB had ZERO relavant experience to sit in the Oval Office - had no trouble voting for Bush.?????

Some say Obama runs on "change" but doesn't have any substance. I'm beginning to believe that maybe it doesn't really matter and that "Change" alone is good enough. After all, according to the anti-Obama crowd, things must be really so screwed up in America that ANY "change" woud be an improvement. I mean we read here how the Clinton's were guilty of something like 40 or so "suspicious deaths". Now Wm. Ayers, a "terrorist' and "murderer" is running free and influencing politicians in Illinois. The Democrats have finally picked a candidate and he's a "traitor", a Muslim and his wife hates America. And McCain is (according to 'prometheus")guilty of treason.
Peace,
D.

I have no problem finding real issues with Obama. I have listed them on another thread.

His stance on Bush Tax cut (repeal)
His stance on Off Shore Drilling (no drilling)
His stance on Refinery Expansion ( no expansion)
His stance on Gun Control ( voting record in Ill, 100% agaisnt guns)
His stance on Capital gains (raise it)
His stance on the inheratance tax ( raise it)
His stance on Nationalized health care ( wants it for all, including Illegals)
His stance on the boarder (no fence, easier immigration)
His stance on Aminesty ( let them all stay, and all be US citisens)
His stance on SS for Illegals ( give it to them)

there are several more reasons...

I agree with McCain on a few issues
His stance on Bush tax cuts (keep)
His stance on Offshore Drilling (drill)
His stance on refinery expansion ( expand, build new)
His stance on Capital gains (leave it as is)
His stance on the inheratance tax (leave it)
His stance on the boarder (build fence, secure boarder)

I am not use on
His stance on gun control...

I am against McCains stance on

Amnesty... he is far to liberal

So I am pretty clear about what I dis like or like, on issues.

I have also been clear I am against calling Obama a traitor, and I am not an Obama supporter.

Originally Posted by Delija

Are we better off now than 8 years ago?

Anyone here enjoying a fill-up at the gas station these days?


McCain said a week or so ago that it "didn't matter" how long our troops would stay in Iraq. I'd imagine it means a great deal to the families of those that will NEVER come home. And for what? So we can (and have) endorced a new Iraqi constitution that establishes another Islamic theocracy in the Arab world? This is "spreding democracy?"

Yeah...."Change" for the sake of change is starting to make a lot of sense.
Peace,
D.

Yes, and no to are we better off than 8 years ago. That is a very long answer....

Gas has been low for a long time. The market needed to correct, but it has way over corrected now. That is due to speculators. Crude is a commodity, and traded as such, with speculators driving the price.

Think about this.....18 months ago gas started its rapid climb. When did democrats take over control of the House and Senate? 2006....24 months ago.

Every thing is Not Bushs fault....Now NBC, MSNBC, ABC would sure like Everyone to believe that. Bush only wishes he had the power and control that those networks seem to think he has....

I know you are smarter than to believe McCain said or meant we would be at war in Iraq for 100 years. That is a left wing smear. You know we still have troops in Germany, Japan, Korea.....and it has been a very long time since those wars were over.....

Carefull about being upset the right is smearing.....When the left is doing the exaxct same thing....

both sides are just as guilty of devisive politics...

Obama swears he is against that, but his voting record does not show that.

McCains voting record does show he votes with either side depending on the issue....McCains record shows he is not near as devisive as Obama...