Did you listen to Obama in Chicago?

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by trik396

D, if you want to pretend that a very large majority of blacks don't speak differently than the rest of the populous, you go right ahead.

The term that you are looking for is "herd behavior". All species, races, and classes exhibit the trait at some point or the other.

[trik396]

Brickboy, my comments were in response to Delija.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by trik396

D, if you want to pretend that a very large majority of blacks don't speak differently than the rest of the populous, you go right ahead. This typical white person isn't afraid to speak the truth. You can throw stones my way, as you have. Calling me KKK? You don't even know who I am. Keep showing your foolish liberal ways...

btw- I don't drink, use drugs, etc... maybe some caffeine once and awhile.

I didn't say that there isn't some kind of (apparently) culturally based "black" inflection. Yes, it is sometimes exceedingly obvious when I receive a "cold call" thet the person on the other end of the phone is almost 100% likely to be black.

That was not my point. I was going for some entertainment (obviously in bad taste in retrospect) and humor with a discussion of what it is that DEFINES a "black accent" - Just silly.....it's not "racist" but reality to recognize that there is some "black" voice or accent that is a part of the American "black culture"....

I meant to point out that SO WHAT if people speak in and out of some kind of "comfort zone"? It isn't Obama or Hillary Clinton or politicians in general...it's virtually EVERYONE!

I have lived in NY, in Chicago, in Colorado and in Florida all for significant amounts of time (as well as in Europe). I am completely aware that I speak differently depending on where I am and with whom I am conversing. It isn't to be "misleading", it's just a natural phenomena that occurs.

And I apologize for the KKK remark. It was uncalled for and in bad taste. I was wrong to have made the comment or to make any ill advised attempt at humor that was an unfair implication of anything. You are right...I don't know you and so again....I'm sorry and I hope you can forgive my bad manners.

I was wrong to judge you. But it seemed to me that you attempted to make an issue out of a non-issue. And this "non issue" seemed (to me) to be racially motivated. Because if there were not some negative slant to your observation, then what was your point? Clearly there isn't one. At least in my opinion.

I have no idea why you mentioned your drinking and drug habits (or lack thereof) I don't believe I made any allusion to your personal habits...good or bad. Anyway, good to know you are health conscious and not a menace to society. Never meant to imply otherwise.

BRICKBOY, you blue eyed white devil honky.....Here's my proposal to expand our mutual ethnic diversity. From here on in, I call you "Whitey" and of course you call ME Whitey. As I think you already know, I too am a blue eyed blond haired honky white devil. Probably due to being a descendant of Scandinavian rapists who were attracted to large breasted Jewish women a few centuries ago .....and this is why there are so many of us blue eyed blond haired aberrations of normally darker complected Mediterranean stock. Those large breasted Hebrews must have appealed to all the conquering rape and pillage types. I have a first cousin that looks like she's descended from Genghis Khan.

Anyway Brickbo...I mean Whitey; catch y'all later bro.

BTW, I agree with you about content as opposed to inflection. So how in hell can you even mention that Hannity annoys you because of how he sounds? (Talk about annoying content!!!!) You actually can listen to him long enough for his voice to grate on your "sensitive Southern ears"? LOL....

I don't ever listen to the guy, but some of his comments were repeated by other journalists over the weekend who covered the Tim Russett story. All I could come away with after hearing what Hannity was alleged to have said was "WOW!"

I did watch some of the coverage on FOXNews out of curiosity. It was surprisingly refreshing that the true journalists on FOX expressed their great admiration for a man that was (unlike the FOX stereotype), a true advocate for the American public. His political beliefs were irrelevant. He was interested in the truth. Chris Wallace, FOX's "Meet The Press" time slot competition gave as glowing praise as anyone from NBC.

It's rather pathetic that it sometimes takes such tragedy to see that these entertainers who masquerade (in so many cases) as journalists are Americans first.

Too bad their audiences are so often so misled and closed minded.

Peace,
D.

[trik396]

I accept your apology and didn't mean any racist connotations by my original post. See, I guess I'm a guy who speaks the same no matter who, when or where I am talking. I don't even think I know how to speak any other way. Maybe I'm just a big dummy. I just find it interesting, at the very least, that Obama tones down his obvious intelligence when speaking at an all black church. To me, the way someone sounds AND the words they speak define who they are. It's not one or the other. That's just me.

[gsx1138]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

There sure is a lot of "Obama fear" around here.

Yeah, partisonship is the same no matter which side of the aisle you're on. Bush is the antichrist.
Obama is the antichrist.

Bush will tear this country apart.
Obama will steal our guns!

It's the same sh!t every election. Pick a side and pick apart the other.

[Yuppicide]

YouTube - Hillary Clinton adopts a southern drawl

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by gsx1138

Yeah, partisonship is the same no matter which side of the aisle you're on. Bush is the antichrist.
Obama is the antichrist.

Bush will tear this country apart.
Obama will steal our guns!

It's the same sh!t every election. Pick a side and pick apart the other.

How about the United States broken down into several different regions with independent governments based on different ideals? Then let us pick where to move, and we can forget about partisanship. California is gonna suck with no guns, all the gangbangers and zero capital punishment.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by trik396

See, I guess I'm a guy who speaks the same no matter who, when or where I am talking. ...(edit).....That's just me.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate (Cool Hand Luke)

Seriously.....I didn't mean to say that people change WHAT they say depending on where they may be, just HOW they may say it.

Use of profanity, use of colloquial expressions, etc....these don't change meanings, they just are often a matter of "comfort". Or conforming to appropriate language and behavior out of plain civility. I used to get aggravated with my employees who cursed excessively and I'd say "you kiss your mother with that mouth?"

Have you ever served in the military? When I was in basic training it was a long time ago...no women, no restraints on the use of expletives. In fact vulgar language was expected. Did I believe our drill Sgts. spoke to their wives, their kids, their mothers the way they spoke to us?

Conversely, do I (or you) think that a federal judge uses the same language at his or her weekly poker game that they use when handing down a decision?

Is saying "Y'all" in the South not part of the colloquial language and essentially used universally (in the South) to address both individuals and groups while never being heard in (for example) Buffalo, NY?

It's just small stuff. But it's also reality.

BTW, my son and I watched "An Officer and a Gentleman" together a few years ago. He had just finished boot camp at Great Lakes, Ill. - I asked him if the Navy still did things the same way as portrayed in the movie...... He said "yeah, pretty much, except NO CURSING"....because they had female recruits when he was there and not when the movie was filmed.

So it seems even our oldest federal institution adjusts it's lingo for it's listeners. Not right or wrong....just how it is.

Peace,
D.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Delija

A "black accent"? What would that be exactly?

And Hillary has this same "accent"?

I tried to do a little research on where these people may have picked up whatever colloquial inflection in their speech that would overlap (and make them have this undefined "Black" accent).

Here's what I found......which isn't much, but it is what it is.

Obama didn't move to Chicago until after law school. Hillary, on the other hand grew up in the Chicago area.

So as tenuous as their overlapping places of habitation are, it seems that Chicago is the most obvious common denominator (Other than them both being Americans....but I know there are many that would argue that, so I've disregarded that particular element in common between the two).


So now, after having never thought about it before, I have to wonder if I myself have a "black accent"....

Like Obama, I went to school at Columbia in NYC and then moved to Chicago. (Unlike Obama, I never lived in Kenya, but neither did Hillary, so that would seem to be out of the equation),

Anyway, it was there (Chicago) that I met and eventually married a native Chicago gal, so I'm sure her accent must have rubbed off on me to some degree (as mine probably did to her....maybe she sounded less "black" after marrying me, a NY native - (I remember some guy from Brooklyn who was working on my car thought she was French....Seriously!!!!!)

Well, anyway, it's interesting to come to the only conclusion that makes sense in this context.....a Chicago accent is a "Black" accent. Probably South Side even more than the rest of Chicago-land. And sure enough, my wife grew up and went to high school on the South Side!!! (An area that is now predominantly black - but was not when she was growing up there - but still....things develop. Things evolve. So it is entirely possible that what was then a Jewish/Italian/Irish neighborhood gave birth to this "black accent". Sort of a "chicken and egg" conundrum I guess.... Did black people bring the "black accent" to the South Side of Chicago? Or did the South Side give the black people their accent? Certainly a mystery I will ponder in greater depth later (after the US Open is finished - very exciting.....playoff now tied on 14th hole, but Tiger still seems to be in control).

But I digress...........no matter what the exact nature and circumstances of the development of this unique "accent", (or the final results of the Open) I find this all to be extremely COOL!!!.

I feel more colorful already.

Now all I really need is some "sisters". I have two brothers, but no sisters. And my mom's way too old to give birth to any little girls at this point. Major bummer. She's 88, I will however explain the importance and maybe she'll agree and try and conceive in the name of ethnic coolness. Good for me, good for my entire family. Besides, I'm sure my son would also find it beneficial to have a younger aunt or two (or more) - what better way to meet chicks than through your own aunt who is younger than you?

On to the next issue....having someone to call "Whitey". This is actually kind of a sad story in my particular case......actually more than "kind" of sad....in truth, very sad.

I did have a friend called "Whitey"....In fact his real name was Tommy, but everyone called him Whitey 'cause his dad was the very well noted baseball player Whitey Ford. and Tommy, like his dad, had light blond hair - But we were all devastated when Tommy/"Whitey" died about a decade ago from Lyme's disease....bit by a tick in upstate NY and it killed him - slowly and painfully..... Still makes me sad to think about his untimely death.

But not until today did it occur to me that having a friend I could call "Whitey" made me more "colorful"....more "ethnic"....basically more "Cool"....Being "WASPish" is so boring! The further away the better. I'd probably be REALLY miserable and completely full of self- loathing and boredom with myself if my four grandparents weren't all poor persecuted Jewish immigrants who came through Ellis Island about 100 years ago. Not quite as cool as having them arrive on slave ships, but certainly more "colorful" than coming over on the Mayflower. (If my ancestors had come as Vikings before Columbus "discovered" America..... THAT would REALLY be the ultimate in "Cool"!!!!!)

.So now I have no friends that I call "Whitey"......But unlike not being likely to get my mom to provide me (and my brothers) with any sisters, I can probably call some other friends "Whitey" and they wouldn't mind. Every little bit helps when you want to be more ethnic I would think.

Oh, ETA...."Trik396".... I found your opening post to be somewhat racist, worthless and divisive - with an emphasis on "WORTHLESS"....(Just sayin'...in case you didn't catch the drift of the tone of my own post).

This was an issue you believed to be worth starting a thread over???????

You should get out more. And KKK meetings don't count.

People DO speak differently in different venues. Do you speak the same way during a job interview that you do when drinking beer with your friends? You speak the same way to your grandparents that you do to your lovers? (or whatever....).





Peace,
D.

Do you also feel that having an armed populace in Chicago is a bad idea, like you feel that it would be in new york?

Should chicago cab drivers be banned from carrying firearms? Or does it not get hot enough in Chicago?

Thanks,

Frank

[gsx1138]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

How about the United States broken down into several different regions with independent governments based on different ideals? Then let us pick where to move, and we can forget about partisanship. California is gonna suck with no guns, all the gangbangers and zero capital punishment.

There's no need for that. States should grow some balls and take back their rights. You don't like a states rules then move to a different one. So long as each state abides by the Constitution of the United States there should be no problem.