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Old 06-07-2008, 08:37 AM   #1
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I believe in the seperation of Church & Hate...
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:13 AM   #2
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Love it! Where can I get the bumper sticker?
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Old 06-07-2008, 09:46 PM   #3
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
This is the true power of the voting booth. Anybody who breaks their oath must be voted out. 2010 will be our chance. Until then, hold on, it's going to be a bumpy ride...
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:43 AM   #4
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Thats a pretty stupid sticker, in my opinion...its an oxymoron in this day and age...
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Thats a pretty stupid sticker, in my opinion...its an oxymoron in this day and age...
Well if that's not painting with a broad brush, I don't know what is...
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Well if that's not painting with a broad brush, I don't know what is...
Not really, most religion teaches 'hate'....
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Not really, most religion teaches 'hate'....
And the brush gets broader and broader!
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Not really, most religion teaches 'hate'....
Would you agree that Atheism does the same?

Communism, officially Atheist, has had a pretty bad track record in the 20th Century.

In just 80 years the death tolls under atheist Communism are something like 65 million in China; 20 million in the Soviet Union; 2 million in North Korea; 2 million in Cambodia; 1.7 million in Africa; 1.5 million in Afghanistan; 1 million in Vietnam; 1 million in the communist states of Eastern Europe; and 150,000 in Latin America.

Source: The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror and Repression, edited by Stéphane Courtois.
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Would you agree that Atheism does the same?

Communism, officially Atheist, has had a pretty bad track record in the 20th Century.

In just 80 years the death tolls under atheist Communism are something like 65 million in China; 20 million in the Soviet Union; 2 million in North Korea; 2 million in Cambodia; 1.7 million in Africa; 1.5 million in Afghanistan; 1 million in Vietnam; 1 million in the communist states of Eastern Europe; and 150,000 in Latin America.

Source: The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror and Repression, edited by Stéphane Courtois.
You're conflating politics and governments with spiritual beliefs and religion.
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You're conflating politics and governments with spiritual beliefs and religion.
They are interrelated and inseparable, Jefferson's ideas notwithstanding. Humans aren't abstract academic exercises in objectivity, especially when it comes to setting the policies by which we govern ourselves. No matter the talk of secularism, of separation, behind every corner of every debate on every law or bill, personal beliefs on ethics and religion form the heart of government. Why do you think we argue so much and take this so personally, both here in our little forum and on the national scene? Even Communism understood this--it's why the State attempted to assume the role of God, rather than just saying He didn't exist and being content to leave a vacuum.
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