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Old 06-08-2008, 03:56 PM   #61
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Solution ... Change of subject


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Old 06-08-2008, 04:07 PM   #62
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ZM, when your opinion is honestly confronted you simply change the topic. If that is not successful you then resort to insulting and condescending posts like the one quoted above.

Who wants to waste the time?

Oh, you forgot Art Laffer in your homework assignment.
I am the one changing the topic? Every time I make an argument, AZ responds not by engaging my argument but by some off the wall reason why it is not relevant and claims that he discounts the validity of the post without reading it. Nothing that happens now can be tied to history etc. I am advancing actual arguments for my beliefs, explaining my positions, while you and AZ snipe from the outside without backing it up with any argument that takes more than 30 seconds to type. I sound condescending because I am. AZ obviously knows very little about either history, the way the government works or various schools of economic thought. If he did he would be using examples from those areas to support his ideology. Rather than countering any of my pro-Keynesian arguments with economic theory (of which there is plenty) he responds by mocking the fact that recessions like the great depression may include some lessons we can learn to prevent future ones.

When economists advance theories, they use historical events, specific examples and research to back up their claims. I guess as a grad student I am used to neo-conservatives arguing their points better than what is put forward on this forum. There are plenty of excellent arguments that actually delve into why people prefer laissez-faire over Keynesian policy, yet apparently nobody is aware of these on this board. Show me where laissez-faire policies work better to contain inflation. Which is the weakening of the dollar for those who do not know.

Please, show me examples of where laissez-faire policy supported by Reagan, Bush and the neo-conservative movement has strengthened rather than weakened a currency! I long for some such evidence so that I can dissect it and engage it.

Who wants to waste the time indeed? I am beginning to tire of a battle of wits where my opponents appear to be unarmed.
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I agree with ZenMachine that it is others changing the topic. He is making extremely substantive posts on a variety of subjects. Maybe some of you guys find it threatening because he seems to know a lot but doesn't agree with you.
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Perhaps you should teach us.
You claim to know everything. So show us the errors of our ways.
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AZ, try a term or ten here:
Maricopa Community Colleges

They are in the business of teaching, I am not.
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I am the one changing the topic? Every time I make an argument, AZ responds not by engaging my argument but by some off the wall reason why it is not relevant and claims that he discounts the validity of the post without reading it. Nothing that happens now can be tied to history etc. I am advancing actual arguments for my beliefs, explaining my positions, while you and AZ snipe from the outside without backing it up with any argument that takes more than 30 seconds to type. I sound condescending because I am. AZ obviously knows very little about either history, the way the government works or various schools of economic thought. If he did he would be using examples from those areas to support his ideology. Rather than countering any of my pro-Keynesian arguments with economic theory (of which there is plenty) he responds by mocking the fact that recessions like the great depression may include some lessons we can learn to prevent future ones.

When economists advance theories, they use historical events, specific examples and research to back up their claims. I guess as a grad student I am used to neo-conservatives arguing their points better than what is put forward on this forum. There are plenty of excellent arguments that actually delve into why people prefer laissez-faire over Keynesian policy, yet apparently nobody is aware of these on this board. Show me where laissez-faire policies work better to contain inflation. Which is the weakening of the dollar for those who do not know.

Please, show me examples of where laissez-faire policy supported by Reagan, Bush and the neo-conservative movement has strengthened rather than weakened a currency! I long for some such evidence so that I can dissect it and engage it.

Who wants to waste the time indeed? I am beginning to tire of a battle of wits where my opponents appear to be unarmed.
Milton Friedman's main thrust was that monetary policy would control inflation - something that Ron Paul also advocates.
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I am the one changing the topic? Every time I make an argument, AZ responds not by engaging my argument but by some off the wall reason why it is not relevant and claims that he discounts the validity of the post without reading it. Nothing that happens now can be tied to history etc. I am advancing actual arguments for my beliefs, explaining my positions, while you and AZ snipe from the outside without backing it up with any argument that takes more than 30 seconds to type. I sound condescending because I am. AZ obviously knows very little about either history, the way the government works or various schools of economic thought. If he did he would be using examples from those areas to support his ideology. Rather than countering any of my pro-Keynesian arguments with economic theory (of which there is plenty) he responds by mocking the fact that recessions like the great depression may include some lessons we can learn to prevent future ones.

When economists advance theories, they use historical events, specific examples and research to back up their claims. I guess as a grad student I am used to neo-conservatives arguing their points better than what is put forward on this forum. There are plenty of excellent arguments that actually delve into why people prefer laissez-faire over Keynesian policy, yet apparently nobody is aware of these on this board. Show me where laissez-faire policies work better to contain inflation. Which is the weakening of the dollar for those who do not know.

Please, show me examples of where laissez-faire policy supported by Reagan, Bush and the neo-conservative movement has strengthened rather than weakened a currency! I long for some such evidence so that I can dissect it and engage it.

Who wants to waste the time indeed? I am beginning to tire of a battle of wits where my opponents appear to be unarmed.
Well, I'm done here! The Ivory Tower has spoken.

Currently owning three businesses and having built and sold three others is clearly no match for your prowess at reading books and perusing websites.

Put some miles on your a** out in the real world and come back and talk to me son. You have nowhere close to enough real world smarts to be as condescending as you are.

As to the battle of wits with you, my response is:



So I'll stop with you here for this thread. You are the winner referenced above.
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I agree with ZenMachine that it is others changing the topic. He is making extremely substantive posts on a variety of subjects. Maybe some of you guys find it threatening because he seems to know a lot but doesn't agree with you.
Of course you do! A check of a few other threads and the balance of this one will tell you that he makes arguments but does not respond so well when countered. Take a look.
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Well, I'm done here! The Ivory Tower has spoken.

Currently owning three businesses and having built and sold three others is clearly no match for your prowess at reading books and perusing websites.

Put some miles on your a** out in the real world and come back and talk to me son. You have nowhere close to enough real world smarts to be as condescending as you are.

As to the battle of wits with you, my response is:

So I'll stop with you here for this thread. You are the winner referenced above.
Well, what is your view of laissez-faire economic policy and whether it is sufficient to control inflation? What is your view of Keynesianism or government regulating the economy? What has your experience in business taught you about these things?
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