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"Design, Ecology, Ethics & the Making of Things"
Designers and architects seem to be on the forefront of the environmental movement. The magazine Dwell showcases many of these design projects. This is truly a free market approach to changing our ecological landscape. One such architect is William McDonough (no relation I don't think!). There was an article about him in the May 2008 "Vanity Fair." Industrial Revolution, Take Two: Entertainment & Culture: vanityfair.com
He designed the roof of the Ford River Rouge plant. Here's a couple photos: ![]() ![]() Completed in 2003, the plant has a living roof. From the Henry Ford Museum website: Quote:
![]() This is one ecologist though who thinks "growth is good." His philosophy is called "Cradle to Cradle." From the Vanity Fair article: Quote:
As someone who has tended to think that growth is bad because it's so destructive of our natural environment, McDonough's philosophy that growth is a good thing is a challenge to embrace. But, I guess it's more in line with man's nature. Man is a creative animal, and it is human nature to try to create new and better widgets all the time.
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I agree with the idea of "it is human nature to try to create new and better widgets all the time", and feel this is the salvation of mankind. We are problem solvers, and when things are not going well ... The problem solving abilities can lead to wonderous discoveries.
Nice article
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Let me first say that I am not in any way on the manmade global warming bandwagon, but I do believe we have an impact on warming at a regional level (Google "urban heat islands"). That larger debate has been beat to death many times in other threads, so I'll get to the point on this one now...
I heard about that fellow and the Ford plant (with plants!) back in architecture school...it's great that some corporations are making investments like the ones above, but until such ideas can be economically integrated into the average strip mall, spec house, and everyday design in general, I don't see these design strategies being adopted by everyday mainstream clients. I will say that a lot of our federal and (and eventually state) work is moving toward a requirement for LEED certification, but I wish that LEED was not so darn product-based so much as end-result based. As it stands now it is not much more than an ad campaign tied to a some buzzwords and a few fees that end up being thinly veiled taxes. Sad thing is, if you look back 500 or 1000 years, as a matter of economy architects were designing buildings that did all that LEED aspires to do and more. Technology and all the bells-and-whistles don't necessarily make for a "green" building. If we as a society could focus on designing buildings (and building materials) to possess useful lives longer than a generation or two then maybe the initial impact of using building materials that are not necessarily eco-friendly from the get-go would be mitigated somewhat. That, coupled with the possibility that building materials could be made to have less of an impact bit by bit, then gradual changes would certainly manifest themselves over the long haul instead of sinking a lot of money into a select few "wonder-products". There is no silver bullet to the problem of environmental impact (I am thinking on a regional scale here...sort of like the heat island over Atlanta, GA), but rather it will take a gradual concerted drive to rethink the basic aspects of design (from material to architectural to large-scale urban design) to have a substantial impact on our regional environments. Long story made short, let's clean up our own back yards and the changes will trickle down (or up) to the large-scale. Just my two cents though...sorry for the rambling
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Thanks for your post. Our company is building a LEED certified building. I wasn't aware of the product-oriented nature of the certification process. Can you explain?
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I agree LEED and it's certification appear to be a marketing tool for products. The mentality is correct but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
I also agree that "a gradual concerted drive to rethink the basic aspects of design" is needed. I feel it will be a slow process, and will be slowed even further due to the business politicalization of the process. I guess that is the counter to the great problem solver aspect. As people learn more, some view it as nothing more than a way to attain financial profit, and thus lobby for profit rather than the good of mankind. ETA:
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Here's a house that uses similar processes that the Ford plant does, but on a small scale.
It's called the Enovo house. ![]() Quote:
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To quickly clarify my thoughts, I did a quick search and find a Wiki entry to cover this fairly well. So ... Quote:
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This also shows how some groups are using political stances rather than purely environmental stances to push so called environmentally friendly products. The whole idea behind the process originated as an environmentally friendly alternative to accepted building practices. But it is being skewed by powerful interest groups. This becomes very obvious when one realizes that the majority of products being recommended are fossil fuel based that have more environmentally friendly, but typically more costly alternatives. Thus, to me, it becomes an argument of ROI and for some the return should be shown as a profit rather than the environment. I'm not saying the tree-hugger ideas are correct, but thus far the balance IMO is not even.
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Voting for Obama is like putting a gun to your head and hoping he calls for its confiscation before you can pull the trigger - AZXD They tell you they are not going to tax your family. No, they’re just going to tax “businesses”! So unless you buy something from a “business”, like groceries or clothes or gasoline … or unless you get a paycheck from a big or a small “business”, don’t worry … it’s not going to affect you. Fred Thompson RNC Convention Speech
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I am by no means fanatical about "going green", but I do see its merit. The earth is more populated now than it has ever been, and the human footprint has gotten enormous and a strain on the environment. I approach it from more of a conservative point of view rather than a liberal one. I don't call the earth GAIA and worship it. However, I firmly believe that the earth was given to "personkind" by God to be it's caretaker, and we will have much to answer for it we wantonly do it harm.
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Well stated, KA
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It's a good idea, this new mode of environmental-focused design...we as a society need to relearn the basic adage "don't sh!t where you eat". However, we also need to ensure that the process of moving toward a more ecologically conscious design philosophy is not hijacked by special interests. A regional system would probably be more palatable to the design and construction industry, as different aspects of energy efficiency and ecologically conscious design vary in importance from region to region (keeping heat in is important up north, whereas moisture control is a priority down here in the hot/humid southeast).
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