XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!
 

Go Back   XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! > Non-Firearms Related > The Political View
Register Forum Rules Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
XDTalk Memberships Gold Sponsorships XDTalk Sponsors XDTalk Pro Logo Shop Photo Gallery Wiki ChatBox


Welcome to the XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features.

*** Registration also removes the In-Text Advertising when viewing threads on XDTalk! ***

Also, registering gets you started on gaining access to The Trading Post and Blogs after 30 days and 100 posts! Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-28-2008, 08:35 AM   #1
XDTalk 10K Member
 
AZXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Valley of the GUN
Posts: 14,745
Our Collectivist Candidates

"our individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

Oh how I wish people would wake up.
The choices are not great, but this guy (Obama) is the cream of the crop when it comes to everything that is wrong.
Quote:
Our Collectivist Candidates

By DAVID BOAZ
May 28, 2008; Page A17

On Sunday Barack Obama urged graduates of Connecticut's Wesleyan University to devote themselves to "collective service." This is not an unusual theme for a commencement address. But it was interesting how long he went on discussing various kinds of nonprofit activism without ever mentioning the virtues of commerce or of individual achievement.

He also did not cite the military as an example of service to one's country. This is a surprising omission in a Memorial Day weekend speech to college-age students by a man seeking to be entrusted with the defense of the U.S.

Sen. Obama told the students that "our individual salvation depends on collective salvation." He disparaged students who want to "take your diploma, walk off this stage, and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should buy."

The people Mr. Obama is sneering at are the ones who built America – the traders and entrepreneurs and manufacturers who gave us railroads and airplanes, housing and appliances, steam engines, electricity, telephones, computers and Starbucks. Ignored here is the work most Americans do, the work that gives us food, clothing, shelter and increasing comfort. It's an attitude you would expect from a Democrat.

Or this year's Republican nominee. John McCain also denounces "self-indulgence" and insists that Americans serve "a national purpose that is greater than our individual interests." During a Republican debate at the Reagan Library on May 3, 2007, Sen. McCain derided Mitt Romney's leadership ability, saying, "I led . . . out of patriotism, not for profit." Challenged on his statement, Mr. McCain elaborated that Mr. Romney "managed companies, and he bought, and he sold, and sometimes people lost their jobs. That's the nature of that business." He could have been channeling Barack Obama.

"A greater cause," "community service" – to many of us, these gauzy phrases sound warm and comforting. But their purpose is to disparage and denigrate our own lives, to belittle our own pursuit of happiness. They're concepts better suited to a more collectivist country than to one founded in libertarian revolution – a revolution intended to defend our rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

One gets the sense that Mr. McCain would like to see us all in the armed forces. In a Washington Monthly essay published in October 2001, his vision of national service sounded militaristic. He wrote with enthusiasm for programs whose participants "not only wear uniforms and work in teams . . . but actually live together in barracks on former military bases, and are deployed to service projects far from their home base," and who would "gather together for daily calisthenics, often in highly public places such as in front of city hall."

Mr. Obama wouldn't send us into the military. All he wants is our souls. As his wife Michelle said at UCLA on February 3, two days before the California primary, "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. . . . That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

There is a whiff of hypocrisy here. Mr. Obama, who made $4.2 million last year and lives in a $1.65 million house bought with the help of the indicted Tony Rezko – and whose "elegant suits" and "impeccable ties" made him one of Esquire's Best-Dressed Men in the World – disdains college students who might want to "chase after the big house and the nice suits." Mr. McCain, who with his wife earned more than $6 million last year and who owns at least seven homes, ridicules Mr. Romney for having built businesses.

But hypocrisy is not the biggest issue. The real issue is that Messrs. Obama and McCain are telling us Americans that our normal lives are not good enough, that pursuing our own happiness is "self-indulgence," that building a business is "chasing after our money culture," that working to provide a better life for our families is a "narrow concern."

They're wrong. Every human life counts. Your life counts. You have a right to live it as you choose, to follow your bliss. You have a right to seek satisfaction in accomplishment. And if you chase after the almighty dollar, you just might find that you are led, as if by an invisible hand, to do things that improve the lives of others.

Mr. Boaz is executive vice president of the Cato Institute and author of "The Politics of Freedom" (Cato, 200.
Put your walking shoes on. Something tells me we'll all be standing in line waiting for free healthcare and doing our collectivist best to turn this country back around.

January is a long ways away ... But four years might just be an eternity.
__________________
SCOTUS judge appointments ... Will last much longer than Obama or McCain.
Who do you want selecting people who have the ability to support or remove individual rights ?? AZXD

At least I don't need any Viagra just to get myself to a point where I can do the Palin librarian fantasy Veep thing. KEVWYO
There are a bunch of you that need to hit the head and grab your jar of vaseline and just get it over with. KEVWYO
AZXD is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2008, 09:21 PM   #2
XDTalk 100 Member
 
KingArthur's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 187
Sen. Obama told the students that "our individual salvation depends on collective salvation." He disparaged students who want to "take your diploma, walk off this stage, and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should buy."

Wow, he even has the Elitist Oligarhical Communisim of the former USSR and Cuba downpat. Because, doesn't he have all those things? But, that is okay, because all the Oligarhical ruling class in the former USSR had those things, while they oppressed their own people. And doesn't Castro live in a palace? While his people live in shacks?
__________________
Smith and Wesson 422 .22
KHAR PM9 9mm
Berreta 92F 9mm
Glock 22 .40
Springfield XD .45
Taurus 669 .357
Smith and Wesson 629 .44 magnum
Ruger 10/22 .22
Colt AR-15 .223
Norinco AK-47 7.62x39
Winchester 670 30-06
SAKO .338 win mag
Stevens 94c 20 gauge single
Fox Savage 12 gauge double
Winchester Deffender 12 gauge pistol grip
Mosberg 590 ghost ring 12 gauge
KingArthur is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2008, 08:00 AM   #3
XDTalk 10K Member
 
AZXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Valley of the GUN
Posts: 14,745
Nothing against your user name .... But, "It's good to be King" is probably on his mind.

The scary thing is, with all the signing statements Bush has made ... This country is set for a dictator style mentality.

Above the law will have a whole new meaning if the next President wants it to be that way.
__________________
SCOTUS judge appointments ... Will last much longer than Obama or McCain.
Who do you want selecting people who have the ability to support or remove individual rights ?? AZXD

At least I don't need any Viagra just to get myself to a point where I can do the Palin librarian fantasy Veep thing. KEVWYO
There are a bunch of you that need to hit the head and grab your jar of vaseline and just get it over with. KEVWYO
AZXD is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2008, 08:28 AM   #4
XDTalk 2K Member
 
jmichna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NE Illinois
Posts: 2,150
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZXD View Post
Nothing against your user name .... But, "It's good to be King" is probably on his mind.

The scary thing is, with all the signing statements Bush has made ... This country is set for a dictator style mentality.

Above the law will have a whole new meaning if the next President wants it to be that way.
I would keep vigilant over the situation, but I would not lose sleep over it. Our country went through the same situation 147 years ago:

In Article I, Section 9 dealing with limits to the power of Congress, the Constitution states: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in causes of rebellion or invasion of the public safety may require it." This suspension clause was never activated through the terms of the first 15 presidents. Then in 1861 President Lincoln assumed all powers not delegated in the Constitution, including the power to suspend habeas corpus, without consulting Congress.

Also in 1861, Lincoln suspended civil law in territories where resistance to Northern military power would be dangerous. In 1862, when the Copperheads (antiwar Democrats) and Secessionists criticized Lincoln's violation of the Constitution, President Lincoln suspended habeas corpus throughout the nation and had many Copperheads and Secessionists arrested under military authority out of fear the State Courts in the north west would not convict war protesters. Lincoln ordered that all persons who discouraged enlistments or engaged in disloyal practices would come under Martial Law.

Approximately 13,000 people were arrested under Lincoln's martial law. Once John Merryman, an influential Maryland Secessionist was arrested, finally Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney issued a writ of habeas corpus commanding the military to bring Merryman before him. The military refused to follow the writ. Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling.

Perhaps it took Lincoln's assassination, or maybe just the conclusion of the war, but the SCOTUS restored Writ of Habeas Corpus in 1866. Once again, pointing to the composition of the Supreme Court being arguably the most important and influential branch of the three.
__________________

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance— that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

- Herbert Spencer
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal distribution of blessings, the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal distribution of misery."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Last edited by jmichna; 05-29-2008 at 08:31 AM.
jmichna is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:54 AM.


 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0

XDTalk is a subsidiary of the Kao Holdings Group
Maintained by Kao Solutions, a subsidiary of the Kao Holdings Group