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one-eyed-fatman · 05-23-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yeahYeah

success for America is defeat for the democrats. despite success, expect the left to continue their crusade for surrender.

I really hate hearing crap like this. The rebub's have already proven their willing to cut our throats as quick as the demo's. The American people are on the losing end with either party. Now let's go pump billions more into Iraq so we have nothing to show for it except for some big heads in DC.

one-eyed-fatman · 05-23-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carnivorous

Seriously though, where the h*ll is Bin Laden.

Seven years later, they still haven't found him? Since when did we de-prioritize that? ("We" being the voters, not the commander in chief, who de-prioritized him in '02)

Actually our snipers had him in their sights a least a few times over the years. Kinda hard to take the shot when you have to call DC first to get permission to make the kill. By the time DC gets their head out of their ass Bin Laden is gone again. I don't think they want him dead. Who's DC going to blame things on after he's dead? They want to keep him alive, they need a bad guy to go after. Why should DC kill him when they can use him as a tool to fight terrorism. I have a better chance of being taken out by an American sniper than he does. He's protected by our government, not hunted.

KEVWYO · 05-23-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Actually our snipers had him in their sights a least a few times over the years. Kinda hard to take the shot when you have to call DC first to get permission to make the kill. By the time DC gets their head out of their ass Bin Laden is gone again. I don't think they want him dead. Who's DC going to blame things on after he's dead? They want to keep him alive, they need a bad guy to go after. Why should DC kill him when they can use him as a tool to fight terrorism. I have a better chance of being taken out by an American sniper than he does. He's protected by our government, not hunted.

I agree that we had our chances to get bin Laden prior to 9/11. Unfortunately, Tora Bora was not one of those chances. To take the "in the cross hairs of a sniper" literally would be to be a fool. After 9/11 can you see Bush saying "no don't take the shot, ask for permission first even though I said 'dead or alive'. " If Cofer Black literally had dry ice ready for bin Laden's head I am sure that any sniper in the 'Stan could shoot on sight.

**AZXD** · 05-23-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

I really hate hearing crap like this. The rebub's have already proven their willing to cut our throats as quick as the demo's. The American people are on the losing end with either party. Now let's go pump billions more into Iraq so we have nothing to show for it except for some big heads in DC.

Some just don't understand it is no longer a Democrat versus Republican thing .... It is US versus both parties.

one-eyed-fatman · 05-23-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVWYO

I agree that we had our chances to get bin Laden prior to 9/11. Unfortunately, Tora Bora was not one of those chances. To take the "in the cross hairs of a sniper" literally would be to be a fool. After 9/11 can you see Bush saying "no don't take the shot, ask for permission first even though I said 'dead or alive'. " If Cofer Black literally had dry ice ready for bin Laden's head I am sure that any sniper in the 'Stan could shoot on sight.

You'll have to explain that one. There was a long cease fire during Tora Bora that allowed him to escape once again on horseback with his right hand cronies from what I understand.

one-eyed-fatman · 05-23-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

Some just don't understand it is no longer a Democrat versus Republican thing .... It is US versus both parties.

I hope like hell the American people start getting smart. It's our only chance to keep America alive.

bountyhunter · 05-23-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVWYO

I agree that we had our chances to get bin Laden prior to 9/11. Unfortunately, Tora Bora was not one of those chances.

BALONEY.

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The success of the US was dazzling, save for the fight for Tora Bora, which may have been this unconventional war's most crucial battle. For the US, Tora Bora wasn't about capturing caverns or destroying fortifications - it was about taking the world's most wanted terrorist "dead or alive."
In retrospect, it becomes clear that the battle's underlying story is of how scant intelligence, poorly chosen allies, and dubious military tactics fumbled a golden opportunity to capture bin Laden as well as many senior Al Qaeda commanders.

How bin Laden got away | csmonitor.com

retired · 05-23-2008, 11:43 PM

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The U.S. has been bombing civilian areas killing civilians to the point that Iraq is totally devastated.

So Etta, do you intend to provide some evidence to back up the bolded part of your statement. I would venture to say there are others besides myself who might be a bit skeptical of that total devastation you speak of; especially without any proof of same.

**Cannibul** · 05-24-2008, 05:56 AM

Etta needs a basic military education.

She/he/it equates a surgical strike with a precision guided missile with bombing.

The bag guys in Iraq are like a cancer. They hide among the good cells. To eliminate the cancer you are going to have to sweep up some good cells.

The fact that the bad guys choose to hide among the population is not our fault. In fact they do so in the hopes that innocents will be killed and that bleeding hearts such as Etta will cry just as she/he/it has done.

What Etta seems not to understand is that this enemy places NO value on human life.

jdavionic · 05-24-2008, 07:33 AM

Back to the original post, the Sadr City news was good news for this country. I'd like to see which box is now checked off on our exit strategy and what is beside the remaining boxes on that list.

While I agreed with the original rationale used to invade Iraq, I have voiced many times my disagreement with the subsequent activities. However, we need to forward focus on what is the best exit strategy and work diligently to execute the plan. Unfortunately I cannot see a clear cut plan other than the rhetoric that is spewed from both sides of the aisle.

Bush has less than 1 yr to convey this clear message and re-motivate the American public and our allies to support this effort. Unfortunately he has turned his back on this task in complete frustration and arrogance, and is content with saying 'the heck with you folks.'

So what happens beginning Jan '09? A complete and quick withdrawal would be disastrous IMO. I think chaos and massive civilian casualties would follow. This would likely be followed by the perception that America is weak and vulnerable. And it would likely offer the radical Islamic enemy that so many don't want to see, a new place to recruit & train from...aside from Pakistan (and no, I don't advocate invading Pakistan).

So for the next 4 yrs, what can we expect? McCain is best option??? What is his specific plan for finishing the job...and I don't need to read his vague campaign assertions. Obama, Hillary, RP...what next? Massive withdrawal and hope all goes well?

Not to be too pessimistic but while the Sadr City news is certainly good news...what will be the news on 5/24/09 or 2010 or...?

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05-24-2008, 07:33 AM	#30
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	Back to the original post, the Sadr City news was good news for this country. I'd like to see which box is now checked off on our exit strategy and what is beside the remaining boxes on that list. While I agreed with the original rationale used to invade Iraq, I have voiced many times my disagreement with the subsequent activities. However, we need to forward focus on what is the best exit strategy and work diligently to execute the plan. Unfortunately I cannot see a clear cut plan other than the rhetoric that is spewed from both sides of the aisle. Bush has less than 1 yr to convey this clear message and re-motivate the American public and our allies to support this effort. Unfortunately he has turned his back on this task in complete frustration and arrogance, and is content with saying 'the heck with you folks.' So what happens beginning Jan '09? A complete and quick withdrawal would be disastrous IMO. I think chaos and massive civilian casualties would follow. This would likely be followed by the perception that America is weak and vulnerable. And it would likely offer the radical Islamic enemy that so many don't want to see, a new place to recruit & train from...aside from Pakistan (and no, I don't advocate invading Pakistan). So for the next 4 yrs, what can we expect? McCain is best option??? What is his specific plan for finishing the job...and I don't need to read his vague campaign assertions. Obama, Hillary, RP...what next? Massive withdrawal and hope all goes well? Not to be too pessimistic but while the Sadr City news is certainly good news...what will be the news on 5/24/09 or 2010 or...?