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Old 05-22-2008, 07:52 PM   #1
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McCain _ Flip Flop - Or a failing mind ?

It's my failure ... Ya know that immigration reform thing.

WTF is he trying to do ???
The freak'n senility is getting to him. Maybe he is to old!
He obviously has forgotten that lesson he claimed to have learned
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McCain Resumes Talk of Comprehesive Immigration Reform

By Juliet Eilperin
UNION CITY, Calif. -- Surrounded by high-tech entrepreneurs, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said this morning he would expand visas for immigrants at the same time he would propose legislation cracking down on illegal immigration.

The declaration -- which came as several Silicon Valley CEOs complained about the need for highly skilled employees -- marked a slight shift from what McCain had said while campaigning to secure his party's nomination. During the GOP primary McCain -- whose support for bipartisan immigration reform proved to be a liability within his own party -- said he would clamp down on illegal aliens before doing any other immigration reform.

"I believe we have to secure our borders. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform, and we must make it a top priority," McCain told the chief executives of several high-tech companies. "We must make the best of this problem, and we must attract the best and brightest minds to this nation."
Shellye Archambeau, CEO of the software company MetricStream, told McCain she was worried about the decline in H1B visas, which go to highly skilled workers, as well as the fact that foreign students earning graduate degrees here are leaving the United States in increasing numbers.

"We should give them a diploma and staple a visa right at the same time, so they can stay," she said, prompting applause from the audience "The key point here is immigration has fueled the growth and innovation of this country since its founding."

McCain expressed sympathy for the entrepreneurs' plight, asking them about the problems they are facing in hiring skilled foreign workers. Conrad Burke, president of Innovalight, a solar energy company, quipped he had become an expert in U.S. immigration law over the past two years as he searched for qualified workers.

"It is difficult getting visas, there are caps," Burke said, who emigrated from Ireland to America a decade ago. "Certainly we need some help."

Vivek Ranadive, who came from India to the U.S. for college and graduate school and stayed to start a high-tech company, said his own experience testifies to the importance of welcoming talented immigrants. Innovation is still occurring more frequently in America than in India and other nations, Ranadive argued.

"The innovation that is going on is going on in my back yard," he said "It will go on forever, as long as we continue to accept smart people."

McCain -- who has not talked about immigration as frequently since securing the GOP nomination, in part because audience members are not raising the issue as often as they did during town hall meetings during the GOP primaries -- also took personal responsibility for Congress's failure to enact immigration reform last year.

"The failure of the federal government -- and it was my failure, too -- has had a lot of consequences associated with it," he said today.
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when govt reforms something its always in their best interest.

rarely is that disproven.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:48 AM   #3
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when govt reforms something its always in their best interest.

rarely is that disproven.
Then I guess the plan is to put a lot of illegals on the government payroll, after the election. Why else would he mention this. Surely not for the votes
He said he learned his lesson
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From the "American Conservative,"

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"I got the message; you want us to secure the border first," John McCain explained to Republican primary voters after the defeat of his amnesty bill. But having secured his party's nomination, McCain is sending a different message to Hispanic voters.

On McCain's new Spanish website, his Sentate colleague Mel Martinez testifies to the passion of the maverick: "He defied the normal political convention, and he rised all to create an immigration law in this nation that would be fair for the nation and for those who are here out of status." Translation: he defied the majority of Americans, the people from whom you seek employment and acceptance. You owe him.

This tactic of saying one thing in English and the opposite in another language is common - among Saudi princes. But the candidate who prides himself on straight talk should know better.
That's the first time I've heard that expression "out of status" used in place of illegal immigrant.
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I have pretty much concluded that no matter who gains the White House this time the immigration pendulum has swung the other way. If any of you have been in the immigration enforcement game for any period of time you learn something very important. No matter what you do, you will always be wrong. For example, after 9/11/2001 there was a general panic, the pendulum swung to the cry of, "You guys aren't doing enough, crack down now!"
Well, here we are in 2008, and the pendulum has swung to, "You are guys are mean 'jack-booted thugs', leave those poor illegal immigrants alone."

Odds are, any of the plethora of candidates who hit the White House will probably be tested by some sort of terrorist action, because they have been laying in wait hungrily for Bush to fade into the sunset. So, the pendulum may well swing again. But, in the immigration game, if you are in the enforcement side, you learn quickly you are always the bad guy, and they never let you win.

There are common sense solutions to the problems, the only issues is the general American public will never accept them, because they are not "politcally correct." Common sense never is.
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Old 05-25-2008, 06:32 PM   #6
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I have pretty much concluded that no matter who gains the White House this time the immigration pendulum has swung the other way. If any of you have been in the immigration enforcement game for any period of time you learn something very important. No matter what you do, you will always be wrong. For example, after 9/11/2001 there was a general panic, the pendulum swung to the cry of, "You guys aren't doing enough, crack down now!"
Well, here we are in 2008, and the pendulum has swung to, "You are guys are mean 'jack-booted thugs', leave those poor illegal immigrants alone."

Odds are, any of the plethora of candidates who hit the White House will probably be tested by some sort of terrorist action, because they have been laying in wait hungrily for Bush to fade into the sunset. So, the pendulum may well swing again. But, in the immigration game, if you are in the enforcement side, you learn quickly you are always the bad guy, and they never let you win.

There are common sense solutions to the problems, the only issues is the general American public will never accept them, because they are not "politcally correct." Common sense never is.
At least a few here understand and are ready to end the politically correct BS.
IMO, it is not the fault of BP and the agencies who support this effort. Our problem rest on the shoulders of administration officials who are unwilling to do what needs to be done.
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