Saying Goodbye

[justgotback]

Originally Posted by AZXD

And in the last 90 years, the dynamics that caused people to come here have changed. Why the incomplete history lesson ??

You're both wrong. They come here to take over!!

You've been listening to your short wave radio waaaaay too much!!!

[newKid]

Coast to Coast with George Noory dude!!


Dont let the Gooberment keep the hood over your head any longer!!!! Wear the tinfoil. its good for you!

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Nothing specific, but I work with the elderly and they have more medical issues on average than younger people. If the shoe fits, wear it. You're older, you're more prone to health conditions.



Again, I'm laughing at you. More attempts at a childish insult from someone who is old enough to be retired. I think you're just a bitter, arrogant, miserable old bag

LOL.....here's a news flash for you; you don't have to be "old" to be retired. I tried it at 31 and didn't take to it. I tried it again at 38 and had the same result.

I retired this time at 58 and again, don't like it.

I'm in the process of moving and will be giving lessons in a few sports after the move is complete. Some people are old in their 20s, some are young at 70. Stallone was 61 in the last "Rocky" movie. Schwarzenegger was (I believe) 58 in the last "Terminator" movie.

In any event...it's less than classless to even imply that people older than yourself are less capable of anything, or less healthy. ESPECIALLY people you know nothing about.


Peace,
D.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by justgotback

You've been listening to your short wave radio waaaaay too much!!!

Naw, this stuff comes across an encrypted Digital Trunking System ..... Got a schedule for frequency changes and maybe some decoding software
PRWN system ??
162-174 and 416-420 Mhz

[Brickboy240]

I have to agree with D on that one. Age does not mean a thing.

I work with several 20-somethings and used to work with other 20-somethings. None of them could keep up with me on the jogging trail or a mt. bike and I am 42!

I run 4 miles a day and I know that 99% of 20-somethings in my office could not make it half a mile before they quit running.

They eat fast foods all the time and do not excecise and I swear, they take more sick days than I do. I could work those people under the ground, doing manual house chores on a weekend, too.

Age means nothing.

- Brickboy240

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by justgotback

Way off on this one Etta. While living in Germany the majority of the locals continuously told me how they dreamed of being in and living in America! Have you ever heard the term "the land of the big PX"?

I would have to say once again your way off on the Mexicans. They want to live in America. They want to work in America. They want to live in the one country that gives them the hope of living a prosperous and fufilling life.

Sometimes I think you just throw opposing views out to start up a debate, all the time not really believing the stuff you put out there....Thats what it is now isn't it Etta?

I think this is a fair and accurate statement.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Your anecdotal evidence aside, I stand by my opinion. Wouldn't you rather live near your friends and family members than live in a country where they don't speak your language?

People want to live where they can prosper. They will leave their homes and take their families with them or move them when they have the money if it means opportunity for success. Look at what the people from India do. One or two move here and once they have the money, they move the rest of the family here. How many family owned and operated businesses do you see that are run by people who moved here from India? They get it. They get the concept of free enterprise and economic freedom.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I'm a helluva lot more open than that guy, I can tell you that!!

Sure you are...I'm open to hearing opinions and views, I just don't waver in what I believe in. I'm not tossed around out there by every fad and trendy movement. I have a solid foundation in my beliefs.

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delija
Secondly...do you think I am "anti-American"? And if so, I'd sincerely like to hear your reasons.

TIA

Peace,
D.




WOW jt .... . I am sincerely surprised at your reaction. I think you're a wee bit over the top here. Delija an arrogant pest? Really?! You're better than that insult.

Nobody is saying that your life experience at this point in your life is invalid ... but in the scheme of things your experience lacks depth in terms of time. Delija has loads of life experiences and while different from yours he does have greater depth if you will just from being older and having experienced more life. Your relative lack of depth in terms of life seems to manifest itself in some fairly rigid thinking. Not saying you can't share your opinions and I'm not trying to invalidate you or your opinions but it does appear you don't want to extend the same courtesy the other way.

The point is I see more of him insulting and talking down to people than simply countering with valid points of his own. I see more bickering and pot-stirring than contribution to the discussion/topic of the thread. He said it himself he doesn't take this seriously enough to find legitimate sources to back up his views, so, really, what's the point of reading anything he has to say when there's nothing to back up the little he does have to say when he's not 1.) insulting people or 2.) writing 10,000 character responses?

Originally Posted by Delija

LOL.....here's a news flash for you; you don't have to be "old" to be retired. I tried it at 31 and didn't take to it. I tried it again at 38 and had the same result.

I retired this time at 58 and again, don't like it.

I'm in the process of moving and will be giving lessons in a few sports after the move is complete. Some people are old in their 20s, some are young at 70. Stallone was 61 in the last "Rocky" movie. Schwarzenegger was (I believe) 58 in the last "Terminator" movie.

In any event...it's less than classless to even imply that people older than yourself are less capable of anything, or less healthy. ESPECIALLY people you know nothing about.


Peace,
D.

People I know nothing about? That's fine, another ASSumption on your part. My experience working with people on Medicare gives me no EXPERIENCE whatsoever and I am in no way whatsoever QUALIFIED to talk about the health of elderly people. Mmmkay, you keep thinking whatever you want that makes you happy. If it helps you sleep at night, go ahead.

There are exceptions to the rule, but you're dead wrong here. Go compare health and life insurance quotes for someone who is 25 compared to someone who is 50. Go compare the cost of medical care for someone on Medicare compared to someone at the age of 40. Why are those rates higher?

NEWS FLASH: You're a higher financial risk to the insurance company as you're more likely to need medical care, ergo they charge you more money in premium to have that coverage.

When using the law of large numbers and the law of averages, older people are generally more susceptible to health problems than younger people. It's a fact. You may be an exception, but that's just it, an exception.

In my experience working with people on Medicare, over 90% are on some form of prescription medication. What do you think the percentage is for people 40 and younger? It's certainly not 90%.

Being healthy is a lot more complex than simply physical capability.

I know it takes income, not age, to retire, but what did you not take to at 31? Not having the money to actually do what you wanted to do everyday? If you don't have enough income to be doing what you want to do, what good is sitting around at home all day? What happened at 38? What happened at 58? I'm just curious, not trying to be rude, but I could call myself retired right now, but if I don't have the money to live a certain acceptable lifestyle for my wife and I, I'm not retired, I'm unemployed. There's a difference.

Now you expect me to think that everyone over the age of 55 is a super hero because two people who are older than that were able to film action movies? This is Hollywood you know. Less than classless to make a suggestion? What is this, the politically correct show? You're stretching it now. Go check the average age of the person who has climbed Mt. Everest. Go check the average age of people who complete marathons. Go check the average age of professional athletes. Go check the average age for Olympians.

Why do you think that even inn a sport that has as little physical strain as golf (compared to football, soccer, ice hockey, rugby, etc), it has its own professional division for seniors? As you age, you're body starts to become less and less able to perform at the level it could when it was younger. How can you even say that's classless? Again, sometimes the facts and truth just hurt. It was a weird feeling when I got to the age where I realized that professional athletes are younger than I am. College football players are younger than I am. These people you look up to as something to aspire to one day are now the same age and younger than you.

At some point, we all have to accept that we're on the back 9 of life. It happens. To call someone classless because they're pointing out the facts about the declining abilities of the human body as it ages just makes you look silly.

By the way, I thought you were done with me? I thought I wasn't worthy of your time it takes to reply? What did I do to earn this present honor?

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

I have to agree with D on that one. Age does not mean a thing.

I work with several 20-somethings and used to work with other 20-somethings. None of them could keep up with me on the jogging trail or a mt. bike and I am 42!

I run 4 miles a day and I know that 99% of 20-somethings in my office could not make it half a mile before they quit running.

They eat fast foods all the time and do not excecise and I swear, they take more sick days than I do. I could work those people under the ground, doing manual house chores on a weekend, too.

Age means nothing.

- Brickboy240

See my post about the age of athletes, even when you're comparing people with similar lifestyle choices, diet choices, and training programs, the older typically aren't as fast or as durable as the younger.

You're kind of cherry picking your competition to people you worked with. What if you worked at a gym where the 20-somethings were all trainers and led fitness classes? You'd probably be on the other side of the coin even though you do take care of yourself.

There was recently an article on ESPN about Jaromir Jagr (NY Rangers NHL player) who was deciding on whether or not to return next year...he's only 36, but to be able to compete at a level with players who are as young as 18, he has to train year round to be able to keep up. That's only at the age of 36. Chris Chelios plays for the Detroit Red Wings. He's 46. He's well beyond the average age. He's been playing in the NHL since 1983. Most guys don't play passed the age of 35.

Football is even younger. Brett Farve was way passed the average age and he retired at the age of 38. He was a freak...253 regular season consecutive starts is the league record...it doesn't even include playoff starts, and if you include those, that number is up to 275. Second place is Peyton Manning at 160...93 more starts than Peyton. Peyton will have to play into 6 more seasons without missing a start to catch him in regular season starts and Peyton is already 32 years old.

What's the career average for linemen? Running backs?

It's not just talent, it's how all that takes its toll on your body.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

I'm just curious, not trying to be rude, but I could call myself retired right now, but if I don't have the money to live a certain acceptable lifestyle for my wife and I, I'm not retired, I'm unemployed. There's a difference.

Yeah, there is a huge difference. I was not "unemployed"...I sold businesses and had enough money to live the rest of my life with no income. In fact, I gave away more than I made over the last 10 years of my professional life....a LOT more.

As for your stuff about athletes and age....sure, football players, who have a 100% rate of injuries don't have very long careers. Same with hockey players. There are exceptions even in those sports. As in professional prizefighting, but they are rare. But non-contact sports like baseball; lots of over 40 players who are still stars.

Gordy Howe played hockey till he was 56 (I think) and George Blanda played football at 49.

Whatever...age is a state of mind. Being unemployed in your mid twenties is not going to bode well for your future health-wise. Time to leave the keyboard and hit the bricks.

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

People I know nothing about? That's fine, another ASSumption on your part.

An assumption? You were talking specifically about me...you know nothing about me, so how is that an assumption? (or in your clever and classy way of writing it.."ASSumption").

Peace,
D.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Delija

As for your stuff about athletes and age....sure, football players, who have a 100% rate of injuries don't have very long careers. Same with hockey players. There are exceptions even in those sports. As in professional prizefighting, but they are rare. But non-contact sports like baseball; lots of over 40 players who are still stars.

Sure, physical sports with contact are going to have more turn over, but even in baseball, you don't see anyone in their 50s playing, it's all relative to what the demand on the body is. The more demand, the shorter the career. Why? As you age, you can't recover as fast, you're simply not as fast, and you simply can't go as long and hard as you used to.

Why do you think more men over the age of 40 are taking sexual enhancers and performance drugs for erectile dysfunction? Health conditions like diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure (all more typical in older men than younger men) have a direct affect on one's ability to maintain an erection. Is it not also that men pass their sexual prime at a far younger age than women do? Is it again, a period in time where you have a prime level of performance and after that time, most experience a decline in performance, just like in sports?

Originally Posted by Delija

Gordy Howe played hockey till he was 56 (I think) and George Blanda played football at 49.

Gordie Howe retired at 52 and retired from the NHL at 43. He then came back to play in a different league, a professional league, but not the NHL so he could play with his sons. He was a very, very, very rare case and a very special athlete...along the lines of what Lance Armstrong did.

Blanda finished his career in the NFL mostly as a kicker before playing in another league. He was still impressive and played a long time, but again, as I said, there are going to be a few who surpass the averages like Chris Chelios and Niklas Lidstrom (still one of the best NHL defenseman at the age of 3.

Originally Posted by Delija

Whatever...age is a state of mind. Being unemployed in your mid twenties is not going to bode well for your future health-wise. Time to leave the keyboard and hit the bricks.

Age may be a state of mind, but the mind and body typically aren't on the same page once you reach a certain age. Some people still are active, and that's great, but the majority begin to slow down.

I'm not unemployed, so I'm not sure what you're talking about me for.

What if I decided to pack up and move to Canada or Alaska and completely live off the land. Hunt and fish for meat, grow my own vegetables? I wouldn't be employed, but I'd probably be healthier and in better physical condition than anyone else my age other than professional athletes?

Originally Posted by Delija

An assumption? You were talking specifically about me...you know nothing about me, so how is that an assumption? (or in your clever and classy way of writing it.."ASSumption").

Peace,
D.

Again, this is another assumption. You assumed I was talking specifically about you. I was talking in general. You are in the demographics of what the world beings to start calling people "seniors." You may be tip top healthy, you may not be. I don't know know anything specific about your health, but I was talking in general.


I have to ask, why does everything have to be a conflict and and argument with you? Instead of agreeing on the age and health issues here, the best you can do is say "Whatever...age is a state of mind." You couldn't say something like, "You're right, older people do face more health challenges. Fortunately for me, (if this is the case, of course) I don't, but I see where you're coming from."

This is why a piece of my assessment about you is that you're arrogant. You will fight everything tooth and nail, gnashing of teeth, snarling, and in the end, when someone has something where they're correct, it's like you steam off with a "whatever" and ignore the rest of the content. To me, that's arrogant and childish.

If you can give me something to prove that I'm wrong on my assessment about the differences in the health of those over 40 or 50 or 60 compared to those who are under 30, I'll admit I'm wrong. Without saying it, you basically said I'm correct by providing two extremely rare cases that I already said would exist when it came to the ages of professional athletes and those who demand the absolute top physical condition from their bodies to be competitive at what they do. But you couldn't just say, "You're right, the older you get, the harder it is to compete at a level younger people can." I feel like you will go at all cost to avoid admitting that someone else is right.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Age may be a state of mind, but the mind and body typically aren't on the same page once you reach a certain age. Some people still are active, and that's great, but the majority begin to slow down.



." You couldn't say something like, "You're right, older people do face more health challenges. Fortunately for me, (if this is the case, of course) I don't, but I see where you're coming from."

If you can give me something to prove that I'm wrong on my assessment about the differences in the health of those over 40 or 50 or 60 compared to those who are under 30, I'll admit I'm wrong. .

OK..here ya go: You're right, older people do face more health challenges. Fortunately for me, I don't, but I see where you're coming from.

Fact is that after 25 most people begin to go "downhill" as far as physical abilities. Look at swimmers and skaters in particular. Most are "old" by their early 20s. Depends on the sport. Gymnasts need the flexibility they lose as they get out of their teens. Baseball players get slower in the field and on the base-paths, but many get stronger and improve their techniques...pitchers throw a slower fastball, but get guys out with finesse. Home run hitters fill out and get more powerful after they are 30....how old is Bonds? How old was McGuire when he hit 70 HRs? Julio Franco is (I think) 49 or 50 and just retired, but proved even last season he can hit major league pitchers.

Of course youth is an advantage in most cases. But in real life, most 30 year olds are not in good shape. The 40. 50 and 60 year olds that take care of themselves are virtually always going to be in better condition than the sedentary 30 year old.

I could give specific examples, but there's no need.

But calling someone an "old bag" because they are retired....LOL...people retire at all ages.

I know of some old people who are in their 20s, and some young people who are 70. It really is in the head to a great degree. And in one's habits. Smoke cigarettes? Try and run a mile if you smoke and are over 30. Look at the age of competitive participants in the major marathons.

Whatever....I don't have any further desire to discuss this. Think what you will...obviously there's nothing anyone can say to you that you would consider if you didn't already believe it.....sort of an old person's characteristic......being set in their ways.

Peace,
D.