Saying Goodbye

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

That's for sure. Becoming a parent didn't hurt either!

Or a grand parent-to-be, for that matter.
Black and white tends to go gray...like our hair.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Yep!!

They (don't ask who. It's just something I've heard) also say most democracies become less stable at 200 years.

Ahh, the infamous committee of they.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. You probably don't remember any of our conversations because you're too busy talking down to everyone else, who apparently, in your mind is not worthy of discussing anything with you.

Baseless opinion

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. You know what else is laughable? We all have the same 24 hours in a day. You do what you want to do, I do what I want. I, on average, spend less time in the bathroom as someone old enough to be retired. I get around faster and I must get things done quicker than you do. [

REALLY BASELESS opinion! What do you know of my physical condition?

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. You call everyone who stands firm in their beliefs and disagrees with you a brick wall. You insult them.

Got a single example other than in the ONE previous post? If the shoe fits, wear it.

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. You can poke fun at my age. You can toss out shots because I choose to form my opinions and views based on principles more than just blown in the wind experiences. Who has a true foundation to fall back on? Who has a belief system that is founded on more than just "experiences?" Who can state why their views are the way they are without have to cite "personal experience."

Can't argue with this since I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you saying that experience means nothing?

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. It's funny, you must not like my sources of where my research comes from. I guess the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, you know, those somewhat important documents to the history of this country are of no value to you and that's why you agree with Etta when she spews her anti-Americanisms all over the place.

LOL.....Your interpretation of the Constitution is more valid than mine?

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. I don't see a whole lot of your views. I see more of you insulting and talking down to people.

Again...your opinion. For what it's worth.

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

. I see more of you being a miserable human being with nothing better to do than to constantly criticize others without being able to state your own views or have the ability to back them up. I see you as more of an arrogant pest on this forum than anything that could even mistakenly be recognized as a good contributor to the content of the discussions at hand. But then again, you'll have some reason to shoot this down even though it's based on my experience (just like everything you're telling me I need more of).
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Wait, I thought I was the one who made "personal attacks".....I don't recall saying anything close to the attack you make here....nothing as personal and nothing as disparaging.

Whatever.....if anyone here is "Anti-American", I'd say it's you.

That's MY opinion. And if I were in the mood (I'm not), believe me, I could make a hell of a lot stronger and cogent argument than you have presented - YOUR "definitions" of what makes one "Anti-American".

I'll say this....I disagree with many here, and obviously so do you. You seem to call a LOT of people "Anti-American"....I have now said it of a grand total of two people.....both of whom wrap their opinions in the flag and think that the costume somehow makes them "patriotic", blah, blah, blah.

It doesn't.

You can try and defend yourself if you wish. It doesn't change anything. Calling someone "Anti-American" to "win" an argument is ridiculous. Obviously there's no surprise that you admire Joe McCarthy. The guy you told me I am 99% wrong about....LOL...completely laughable.

I'm finished with you. Say whatever you wish. I'll stick to "debating" or "arguing" or "discussions" with rational and/or worthy adversaries. You do not qualify. Try again in a few years. Maybe when you get back from your military service (as if anyone, including you yourself, really expects you to serve).


D.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Delija

Baseless opinion


REALLY BASELESS opinion! What do you know of my physical condition?

Nothing specific, but I work with the elderly and they have more medical issues on average than younger people. If the shoe fits, wear it. You're older, you're more prone to health conditions.

Originally Posted by Delija

Got a single example other than in the ONE previous post? If the shoe fits, wear it.

Any person can go back to any thread in the PV section you've participated in where someone disagreed with you. You've done it to me numerous times. You do it to Frank every time. You do it to others frequently.

Originally Posted by Delija

Can't argue with this since I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you saying that experience means nothing?

You wouldn't have a clue about what I'm talking about. No surprise here. I'm saying my views are grounded and based on more than just being blown around through life like a tumble weed. Those experiences may be fewer in numbers than yours, but it doesn't make them any less valid.

Originally Posted by Delija

LOL.....Your interpretation of the Constitution is more valid than mine?

Did I specifically say that or is this you doing your typical song and dance where you put words in peoples' mouths and twist what they say?

Originally Posted by Delija

Again...your opinion. For what it's worth.

Fine, but I'm not the only one who sees it. That's your problem. That's where my statement about you being arrogant and miserable is not a personal attack, it's a truthful assessment and it's correct as you don't even know you're doing it. That either makes you arrogant or pathological.

Originally Posted by Delija

Wait, I thought I was the one who made "personal attacks".....I don't recall saying anything close to the attack you make here....nothing as personal and nothing as disparaging.

I'm not disparaging. I'm simply commenting on my experience in what I've read of your responses to those people who disagree with you. It's not baseless as we can go back through numerous political threads where you've been on the offensive when it comes to insulting and disparaging others.

Originally Posted by Delija

Whatever.....if anyone here is "Anti-American", I'd say it's you.

What makes me anti-American? Because I point out where you're generally rude to anyone and everyone who disagrees with you or anyone you see as a brick wall? Anyone who stands firm in their beliefs and isn't swayed by your insults or curtness?

Originally Posted by Delija

That's MY opinion. And if I were in the mood (I'm not), believe me, I could make a hell of a lot stronger and cogent argument than you have presented - YOUR "definitions" of what makes one "Anti-American".

Read it how you want. I gave a list of things that makes someone anti-American about politics.

Originally Posted by Delija

I'll say this....I disagree with many here, and obviously so do you. You seem to call a LOT of people "Anti-American"....I have now said it of a grand total of two people.....both of whom wrap their opinions in the flag and think that the costume somehow makes them "patriotic", blah, blah, blah.

I said the views of one person are anti-American. That's it. You can try to put all the words in my mouth you want, but in the end, all you'll find is your foot in your mouth.

Originally Posted by Delija

You can try and defend yourself if you wish. It doesn't change anything. Calling someone "Anti-American" to "win" an argument is ridiculous. Obviously there's no surprise that you admire Joe McCarthy. The guy you told me I am 99% wrong about....LOL...completely laughable.

Did I bring up Joe McCarthy? Did I say anything about him? Nope. You can make all the assumptions you want. You can say that I admire him because I think communism is not the solution or the best way to do things, but again, this is your ASSumption more than anything else, and once again, you're wrong.

I never said someone is anti-american in an attempt to win an argument. I simply said someone's views are anti-american and predictable. You're just as predicable. As I said before, you've responded to one person in this thread that isn't your sidekick. 1 out of 28. Sure looks like you have a thing for picking me out of the crowd.

Originally Posted by Delija

I'm finished with you. Say whatever you wish. I'll stick to "debating" or "arguing" or "discussions" with rational and/or worthy adversaries. You do not qualify. Try again in a few years.

I'm just laughing at you now. Thanks for the comic relief. Why don't you explain why I don't qualify? Is it because I disagree with you? Is it because I do research my views and my responses? Is it because you're just too snobby to "take this seriously" enough to actually use sources and other materials we can read? Or is it because you don't have any to back anything up you say? Or is it that you really don't say anything at all and just insult people?

Originally Posted by Delija

Maybe when you get back from your military service (as if anyone, including you yourself, really expects you to serve).

Again, I'm laughing at you. More attempts at a childish insult from someone who is old enough to be retired. I think you're just a bitter, arrogant, miserable old bag and you have nothing better to do than to berate people who don't fall in line with you like Etta has. That's not an insult or a personal attack, that's an assessment based on your ever so predictable and continued behavior on the PV forum.

Sometimes, the truth just hurts.

Originally Posted by Delija

D.

What, no "peace" this time? Does that make us at a defacto state of war?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by justgotback

Why does everyone around the world do all they can to come and live here? I'm not a genious, but I don't think one has to be one to figure that out..

That's not true. People in France, Germany, Switzerland, or even Argentina are not doing all they can to come here. Most of them seem content to stay where they are. And, I bet if you asked all of these Mexicans who are coming here where they would prefer to live if they had decent work, they would say Mexico.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Dogmatic:
Main Entry:dog·mat·ic Pronunciation: \dȯg-ˈma-tik, däg-\ Variant(s):also dog·mat·i·cal \-ti-kəl\Function:adjective Date:1660 1 : characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts <a dogmatic critic> 2 : of or relating to dogma synonyms see dictatorial

— dog·mat·i·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
— dog·mat·i·cal·ness \-ti-kəl-nəs\ noun

I would say this is an accurate description of you.

[justgotback]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

That's not true. People in France, Germany, Switzerland, or even Argentina are not doing all they can to come here. Most of them seem content to stay where they are. And, I bet if you asked all of these Mexicans who are coming here where they would prefer to live if they had decent work, they would say Mexico.

Way off on this one Etta. While living in Germany the majority of the locals continuously told me how they dreamed of being in and living in America! Have you ever heard the term "the land of the big PX"?

I would have to say once again your way off on the Mexicans. They want to live in America. They want to work in America. They want to live in the one country that gives them the hope of living a prosperous and fufilling life.

Sometimes I think you just throw opposing views out to start up a debate, all the time not really believing the stuff you put out there....Thats what it is now isn't it Etta?

[justgotback]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I would say this is an accurate description of you.

Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it Etta?

[Frenchy]

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...PR_FR_2007.pdf

Check table #3 for immigration by country and region.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Or a grand parent-to-be, for that matter.
Black and white tends to go gray...like our hair.

I tried to make a deal with the old follicles that they could go gray as long as they all stayed put. Lying bas***ds!