Saying Goodbye

[jtkratzer]

Dogmatic:

Main Entry:dog·mat·ic Pronunciation: \dȯg-ˈma-tik, däg-\ Variant(s):also dog·mat·i·cal \-ti-kəl\Function:adjective Date:1660 1 : characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts <a dogmatic critic> 2 : of or relating to dogma synonyms see dictatorial

— dog·mat·i·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
— dog·mat·i·cal·ness \-ti-kəl-nəs\ noun

Nothing that I'm discussing in the way of how this country was founded, what's in the constitution versus what people want to put it in, take out of it, or twist it around to say, or that this federal government was founded to have limited power, very limited taxation, that the people were to hold the power, etc is not an expression of my "opinion." That is a fact. That is how the federal government was founded. So, me expressing my views, which happen to be based on facts, not some obscure opinion, does not make me dogmatic.

Ann Coulter opens her book "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans" with this line: "Uttering lines that send liberals into paroxysms of rage, otherwise known as 'citing facts,' is the spice of life."

I don't agree with everything she says and I haven't finished her book, but that is typically the case on this forum. When you stick to the facts and the issues at hand, eventually you will be insulted and criticized along with attacked personally for your views.

That is what's happening here. Etta and Delija are this tag team partnership where they seem to follow certain individuals around and challenge only those individuals. They protect each other and approve of each others' posts. Check the numbers. There are over 100 posts on this thread. Etta has commented on only one post that wasn't mine. Delija has only commented on 1 or 2 posts that weren't mine, but both were on Etta's posts approving of what she had posted.

There have been how many other people with views that are opposed to the original poster, yet those have been relatively ignored.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Isn't Myopic a better word here?

Is this an attempt at insult saying that my views are skewed based on emotion?

Originally Posted by AZXD

So can I stay

Seriously, I agree with you, but at the same time view some of these issues as the result of un-informed individuals who do not wish to learn how this country was founded and how it is supposed to operate.

That in itself is the biggest detriment to this country. Apathetic people who don't make it a priority to understand how this county was founded and intended to run. I wouldn't be shocked at all if less than 1% of the populate had ever read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I wouldn't be shocked at all. You have people who don't take the time to educate themselves on the issues or on the politicians who are running for office. Then, when they cast their vote without knowing who they're voting for, they b*tch and complain about the person who is elected, even if that is the person they voted for because the media is as fickle as it gets. How much support was rallied around the nation and how much patriotism was displayed following 9/11? How much of that support against our nation's enemies is still present? How many people are still supportive of the first president to take an active stand on their ground to fight terrorism? That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by AZXD

The politicians though .... If we could get a few politicians to read what you wrote ... Perhaps things would change .... The idea of voting people into and out of office just doesn't seem to be very effective

If we could get a few politicians to get an education about what the American government is supposed to be doing, that'd be great and result in change, but it has to start with the people first. If people would wake up and pay attention to what those elected leaders are doing, well, if the people knew any better in the first place, we wouldn't stand for it and we'd have their heads.

Originally Posted by AZXD

No, skip it! I want my health card, welfare check, and subsidized housing. I deserve it! Heck, I pay taxes! Now give me, give me, give me Oh government master

Pissed me off this morning as I was out for a run putting in a couple miles and I passed a line of people waiting at the Social Services building, just chomping at the bit for that place to open up and give them stuff.

Originally Posted by justgotback

He hasn't attacked anyone. He has shown some folks he disagrees with their "America is to blame for everything" mentality. I know another region who says "America is the great Satan".. Kind of sounds familiar. I'm not saying that there aren't things that we as a nation need to improve. I AM saying however, that this nation is the best place on the planet to live. Why does everyone around the world do all they can to come and live here? I'm not a genious, but I don't think one has to be one to figure that out..

Thank you, some one else sees what I see. No coincidence it's a person who has served in the military.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by justgotback

He hasn't attacked anyone. He has shown some folks he disagrees with their "America is to blame for everything" mentality. I know another region who says "America is the great Satan".. Kind of sounds familiar. I'm not saying that there aren't things that we as a nation need to improve. I AM saying however, that this nation is the best place on the planet to live. Why does everyone around the world do all they can to come and live here? I'm not a genious, but I don't think one has to be one to figure that out..

Yea, for some it is an easy problem to figure out.

But I do wonder about a few who so quickly attach labels to those they disagree with.

A few months ago, I ran across some very good information about a gun I was researching. The information was posted on an Iranian gun forum. If you want to see what true anti-american comments, opinions etcetera are .... It's pretty easy to find, and I can honestly say that I have never read anything at XDTALK that remotely comes close to what I read on that board when I clicked on their equal to our PV section.


I guess if things continue ... We will eventually see the closing of the PV section once again because some people can't just agree to disagree and must resort to childhood name calling

On a side note ... How's that new rifle ??

[AZXD]

Would it be anti-American to blame politicians for some of the problems we face ???

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Yea, for some it is an easy problem to figure out.

But I do wonder about a few who so quickly attach labels to those they disagree with.

A few months ago, I ran across some very good information about a gun I was researching. The information was posted on an Iranian gun forum. If you want to see what true anti-american comments, opinions etcetera are .... It's pretty easy to find, and I can honestly say that I have never read anything at XDTALK that remotely comes close to what I read on that board when I clicked on their equal to our PV section.


I guess if things continue ... We will eventually see the closing of the PV section once again because some people can't just agree to disagree and must resort to childhood name calling

On a side note ... How's that new rifle ??

Well, part of what you see is continued, ongoing discussion from other threads. That's why I said her anti-American response is predictable and typical. There is a bit of history here that isn't showing up in just this thread. It may seem like a quick jump to a conclusion, but it's certainly not an opinion I formed from the few responses on this thread alone.

I guess the ignore function might be the route to go because I do get tired of reading that kind of drivel. While I respect one's rights to be anti-American and talk about it because of our freedom to do so, it doesn't make it any less irritating.

One more thing, I don't think calling someone anti-American based on their views is childhood name calling.

Originally Posted by AZXD

Would it be anti-American to blame politicians for some of the problems we face ???

No. I don't think so. I think they're partly responsible for doing what they've done to create the mess we're in. I think the general population must share part of the blame for not knowing the details about who they are electing and what their views are. Politicians have a greater share of the guilt in my book because with great responsibility must come great accountability. If you have the power to change a country, you better know what you're doing and what the resulting effects will be. If you don't, either you shouldn't be in that position or it's simply not legislation that you should be passing. Far too often we see emotional responses and knee jerk reactions when it comes to legislation like anti-gun bills and the like.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Is this an attempt at insult saying that my views are skewed based on emotion?

Nope, no attempt to insult here. I could do much better than that if that's where I wanted to go.

I do however think your views as I've seen them expressed here do have a strong emotional tinge to them, along with a very black and white view of what is Un-American and what is not, IYO. Don't you think so?

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by AZXD

A few months ago, I ran across some very good information about a gun I was researching. The information was posted on an Iranian gun forum. If you want to see what true anti-american comments, opinions etcetera are .... It's pretty easy to find, and I can honestly say that I have never read anything at XDTALK that remotely comes close to what I read on that board when I clicked on their equal to our PV section.

Link please?

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

Link please?

Give me time. My browser history only goes back 1 month, I didn't bookmark it. I was most likely searching on AK builds and a good link led me to that forum. I'll look around. They really did have some excellent information on weaponry. Yea, gotta look through the bookmarks as well. I might have, I don't know ........

ETA:
Sorry man!
Not got da linky. I'm thinking it was a link at pirate4x4.com
They've got a pretty good AK section, hidden!!
Outdoor Sports and Recreation - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board


But I could be way wrong as to where I ran across that website.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Nope, no attempt to insult here. I could do much better than that if that's where I wanted to go.

I do however think your views as I've seen them expressed here do have a strong emotional tinge to them, along with a very black and white view of what is Un-American and what is not, IYO. Don't you think so?

I didn't expect to see insults from you, that's why I was checking. I was going to be surprised if it was meant to be an insult.

When it comes to what's acceptable for the government to put its grimey hands all over and muck up, that list is pretty black and white. It specifically says in the Constitution that if the constitution doesn't specifically say the federal government has the power to do something, that power goes back to the state and the people. That's black and white. There is no power awarded to the government in the constitution making healthcare or college education a right of the people. "Shall not be infringed" in the second amendment is black and white. Our government has been taking small steps at a time to abuse it's power and infringe upon our rights for way to long. It's gone virtually uncontested and much of it is truly unconstitutional. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of hearing about people who support those unconstitutional activities. Anything that's unconstitutional is typically a crime or at least a violation of our rights. When you're violating our rights, that's anti-American. The American government was founded to preserve and protect those rights that all people have, not "rights" that are awarded or given out as a privilege which can be taken away.

Choosing the path of Marxism is anti-American...when the policies of the presidential candidates sound like they were designed with the Communist Manifesto as their foundation and play book, that's anti-American and black and white.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

That is what's happening here. Etta and Delija are this tag team partnership where they seem to follow certain individuals around and challenge only those individuals.

Two quick questions....do you think I "follow" you around? I don't even recall exchanging any opinions with you prior to this week (if I did, then clearly they were not in the least bit memorable)....and considering you have more than twice as many posts (close to three times as many) in one year than I have in three and a half years it seems pretty obvious that I've gone out of my way to avoid wasting time with anyone so "dogmatic". (BTW, congratulations on probably having the highest average of posts per day here....must be nice to have so much free time....I'm retired and don't have that kind of time). Our profiles say that for every one time I post, you post nine times. You really feel you have that much worthwhile wisdom to share?

I don't argue or try to "debate" or even discuss differences of opinions with brick walls. It goes nowhere. I make an exception for FrankRizzo because he's at least entertaining, intelligent and fun to "argue" with..he seems to spend as much time "researching" his posts (and what other people may have said years ago) as you do in just hitting your keyboard......he thinks he's debating when he's not, and I always get a kick out of that. On the other hand, you just seem to state your opinions and not bother with all the "research"...which is fine...it's what I do myself. Because I don't see any of this as being important enough to take that seriously. The problem I see with you is just your tunnel vision viewpoint of the world. You really need to live some life before you carve your opinions in stone. It seems awfully clear that you have much living to do. Life comes from experience, not reading Ann Coulter, etc.

Secondly...do you think I am "anti-American"? And if so, I'd sincerely like to hear your reasons.

TIA

Peace,
D.