U.S. Imprisons more people than China and Russia

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Dutter

I have never seen you post anything that was pro-American, only things that are anti-American. So that makes you.........?

What do you consider pro-American and anti-American?

Originally Posted by Dutter

If it wasn't for brave men and women picking up a gun and being ready, willing and able to kill those who would seek the destruction of this nation and the freedom it represents, you and I would be dead or enslaved by now. What would you fight for..........?

I would fight to protect my property, my family and my friends. I would NOT volunteer to fight in another country to kill people that my government has determined are my enemy.

Originally Posted by Dutter

Our government is doing a good job at one of the few things the Constitution grants it the power to do: killing people who want to kill me. That aside, there is a mountain of things the federal government has NO business being involved in..........they could do a better job by ceasing, immediately.

I agree that the U.S. military is very sophisticated and skilled at killing. The U.S. military also has a lot of good people in it who are brave and honorable. I also think the military is bureaucratic, wasteful and used in ways by the U.S. government that do not serve the people who are serving nor the country in general.

Originally Posted by Dutter

No society is without flaws. But our form of government, a constitutional republic, is the best thing that has ever happened to anybody, anywhere. Where would you rather live...........? Are there any flights leaving today ?

I agree that the form of government upon which this nation was founded offers people the most freedom of any government that I know of. Too bad it has been corrupted so horribly by politicians. The Founders put safeguards into the system through the Constitution, but our leaders have found ways to get around those safeguards.

In my opinion, our current government DOES NOT represent the people.

Originally Posted by Dutter

I don't care what party you belong to or which idiot you are going to vote for. I care about the principles and values on which this country was founded. People like you care about something else.....I give you the benefit of the doubt by referring to you as a socialist, rather than a communist. What have you posted that would lead me to think anything else ?

I just said that I believe the system developed by the Founders was a good one.

Originally Posted by Dutter

Yes, I concede that you should be able to smoke your dope without being hassled....we'll see how far that gets you.

I don't smoke dope, nor do any sort of drug, and haven't for many, many years.

Originally Posted by Dutter

How do you feel about the War on Poverty ? Smashing success....?

It probably helped some people out of poverty, but it created a monster bureaucracy.

Originally Posted by Dutter

Sorry, all, that this has become so "off topic", but she's like a train wreck that I can't stop looking at.......

Interesting...

[Dutter]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

What do you consider pro-American and anti-American?

I'll see if I can make this easy for you:

• Re-read any of your posts that concern the United States...It's government, it's policies, it's president...you name it.

• Do any of them portray the U.S. in a positive light ?
• uh..................no, they don't.

THEY ARE ALL ANTI-AMERICAN !

[UncleBuck]

Originally Posted by Dutter

I'll see if I can make this easy for you:

• Re-read any of your posts that concern the United States...It's government, it's policies, it's president...you name it.

• Do any of them portray the U.S. in a positive light ?
• uh..................no, they don't.

THEY ARE ALL ANTI-AMERICAN !

You can save time by putting her in the "Iggy Bin". Then when you see her posts you can simply apply the standard hate America stuff and move on.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Dutter

THEY ARE ALL ANTI-AMERICAN !

You've got to be kidding!

First off, using a large font is just like yelling...no matter how loud you yell, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

In this case I see no validity at all anyway.

You think that freedom of speech, the right to redress grievances etc., are "Anti-American"? Dude....it's time you yourself took a serious look at our constitution and our history.

There's nothing more dangerous to the American people than complacency and blind acceptance of pi$$-poor policy.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt

I've read most of what Etta has ever contributed here. I never once felt that she said anything that was "Anti-American"....critical of some policies and some politicians? Yes....everyone should be to some degree. Unless you believe we are living in some Utopian version of what America is supposed to be and there's no room for improvement. And if that's what you think, then you must not only be a very happy person, but very much alone in your beliefs.

Whatever.....calling people "Anti-American" or "unpatriotic" is stale and dull. A tactic worn to the bone by people like Joe McCarthy, and more recently Ann Coulter.

Here's my favorite description of the tactic:

"Why of course the people don't want war... But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

--Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials, 1946

[Dutter]

Originally Posted by Delija

A tactic worn to the bone by people like Joe McCarthy, and more recently Ann Coulter.

Try to keep up here, Delija. Although Senator McCarthy could be accused of being ham-fisted at times, it has been proven that he was absolutely correct about communists and communist sympathizers in the State Department and other government entities in the 30's and 40's. Please read Stan Evans' new book, Blacklisted by History if you have an interest in the subject.

I'm sorry that you find the recognition of people's anti-American tendencies dull. But equating them to Nazi's still gives you fabulous thrill !!!!!

Precious.

Oh. I LOVE Ann Coulter. (yes, I know....shouting....)

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Dutter

Oh. I LOVE Ann Coulter. (yes, I know....shouting....)

Well...that's about all I need to hear. She has got to be about the biggest



in "political commentary" or, Anne Coulter promotion. There's also a couple of other things which she qualifies as the biggest of, but I will not mention in mixed company.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

Hmmm, I take this as a half-assed approach to a justice system. If someone is convicted of murder, .308 is damn cheap. Having taxpayers foot the bill for his 25+ years on death row isnt.

When I was in high school, one of the students with me was from Singapore. When someone was caught stealing there, they cut off their hand. The moral of the story is that the punishment=the crime. If we had a justice system that was swift and sure like that, you would see crime drop through the floor.

Just my 2c.

Hell of a point ya got there

I remember reading that the word between gangsters was ... Don't shoot a cop, you'll get the chair .. and they knew that meant within 30 days .. There was NO APPEAL process!! ......... Good or bad .. We sure didn't have that many growing with aspirations of being a gangster .. BUT that was back when ya didn't need a permit to carry .. Concealed, or Not! .... Yea, seems we went wrong .. somewhere way back when

[rupert]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

anything to make America look bad.

our prison population is through the roof because of our immigration policies and liberalism.

Reason for high prision rates:1. Breakdown of the nuclear family.2. Harsher drug laws.3. More mandatory sentences.

[rupert]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

The approach here should be two-pronged. Not only incarceration but also a good look at what kind of society produces this excess of criminals. I hate to sound cliche but parents need to start raising their kids and genuinely being their parents not just providers(sometimes). Look at the crappy stimulus our kids take in these days. Everything from music with shallow messages of false gangsterhood and conspicuous consumption, or this Disney/Pixar crap full of fart and ass jokes and stereotypical undertones and Hanna Montana. And does anyone really give a sh*t about Paris Hilton?

I'm sorry but I have to take issue with the statement that drugs are the problem. There are countries with far looser drug laws that don't have nearly the amount of problems we have here. Now if you were to say that dangerous cartels and black markets produce crime you'll get no argument from me at all. You could cut that out right now with adequate boarder security and the decriminalization of at least weed. It's the same conundrum anti-gunners face when they outlaw guns only to find a higher crime rate as a result. They find out what most of us have always known; freedom works and free people have the answer, not the gubment.

If we ever manage to get rid of all this political correctness and teach our kids what's important in life and as soon as people stop looking to the government for all the answers like they entitled to there success we will be far more prosperous and our prisons will have more vacancies. It has little or nothing to do with guns, drugs, TV or anything. The future is coming and that stuff is going to be there as will all temptation. Is has to do with teaching our kids honor and how to live and act in society.

+1You about hit it right on the head!

[rupert]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

Yeah,No.

HA HA HA.Try reversing your answers.