Barack Hussein Obama

[Brickboy240]

I never called anyone an elitist jerk...don't know where that came from.

Fox News? I bet I don't watch an hour a week of that channel. I maybe catch O'Reilly if he has an interesting author in for an interview. Cannot stomach Hannity, Hume or Greta...sorry. Glenn Beck's tv program has gotten more appealing to me lately. he seems unafraid to take on the economic issues that others ignore or skim over.

The other news shows on other networks like Olbermann, Matthews and King are afraid to have many worthy authors and columnists on their shows. Why do that when you can have boring, self involved celebs on and predictable RNC and DNC biggies that garner bigger ratings? Actually, looking at their ratings...maybe a change would help...nobody is watching Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann!

Fox certainly has no corner on the "scaring America first" market. CNN and the big 3 certainly engage in plenty of that.

Yep, I gave up on Dubya when he decided not only to go in and wipe out Hussein, but to enter into a huge, expensive nation building process. I saw enough of my Dad's generation get lost to one of those in Southeast Asia...no thank you. Bush was actually not bad as our governor but completely lost me after a few years in DC. He seemed to fall into the role his dad took before him: a puppet for the country club Repulican insiders.

- brickboy240

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

I never called anyone an elitist jerk...don't know where that came from.

Hey BB...my mistake. Must have been wishful thinking on my part. I thought someone called me that (or something very close). I guess my subconscious was hoping it was someone I respect, not some anonymous sniper who called me a name 'cause I said something they disagreed with and then just vanished back into wherever these people come from.

Just my twisted mind at work probably. I mean if you are gonna be called something...especially something probably not meant to be complimentary...well, in my case, I'd rather be targeted by a competent sharpshooter and hit between the eyes than grazed by some incompetent buffoon who got me with a lucky shot!....(Not sure that makes sense...but not sure it was meant to).
As you probably can tell...like Rodney Dangerfield said..."It ain't easy being me!"

LOL


Peace Bro,
D. (Elitist Jerk............................NOT!) - Borat

[Brickboy240]

Nah, D you and I are closer on most views than we are apart...believe it or not. You and I have some views that are typical conservative views and some views that are not conservative and that do not fit in their neat little boxes.

That tends to drive the idealogues insane. Some Bush-bots around here think I am a liberal because I am pro-choice and was not for occupying Iraq. Leftists like Etta think I am an RNC operative. the truth is I am neither...and so are you.

The important thing is to make everyone THINK...and discuss these things...not choose up sides, call names and engage in silly fights. Nobody learns a thing from that.

I am sure, however, that if you managed a hedge fund...you know an elitist jerk when you see one! LOL

- brickboy240

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Nah, D you and I are closer on most views than we are apart...believe it or not.

I not only "believe it"...I know it...

Which makes it so irresistible to me to argue with you on the few things we disagree on .....in fact, I can only think of two...

Taxes....It seems to me that we both hate them, but from different perspectives, and environmental issues, and only to a pretty insignificant degree.

On most social issues I think we are very much in agreement (Libertarian) and on fiscal policy, we can pretty much write each other's posts and read each other's minds (outside the tax stuff). From what I've read here over the years, you and I are probably the quintessential "Capitalist Pigs" on this board. And that's cool with me....I'm never going to apologize for trying to provide the best I could for my family.

Peace,
D.

[KEVWYO]

Originally Posted by robinsre

Just out of curiosity Kevwyo, and this is meant with the noblest of intentions, are you an Obama supporter?


You seem to rush to his defense quite often. Or do you just feel the need to shoot down poor logic?

If you are an Obama supporter how do you rectify his vehement Anti-second amendment stance in relation to self defense with your own personal firearm ownership? One could hardly expect one to agree with EVERY point a favored politician makes, but the right to self defense through ownership and carry of firearms is largely one of the core beliefs of most firearms owners I've encountered (myself included).

Obama supporter ... as in actively trying to get him votes .. no. Will I vote for him? Probably. Why? Hillary as an entitled to the WH attitude and is a pandering politician of the highest magnitude. To me she is fingernails on a blackboard .... just want to punch her to get her to stop! McCain appears to me to be another Bush in terms of Iraq. I just can't vote for that. I think Obama may want to pull troops out fast but I think reality will adjust his perspective on this such that a withdrawl will take time and will have to be done in a sane manner. It will also end up requiring 10 times more planning to get out than it took to get in the darn place. I think Iran and it's meddling will require us to stay in some capacity and I think Obama will come to find this out. In regards to Iraq I think Obama kind of has a "the sky is falling" mentality but I think once he is in the Oval Office he will soon realize that to keep the sky from falling a slow, methodical, smart draw down will be the words of the day.

I rush to the defense of Obama not because I think he is going to be some world changing president that poops ice cream. I defend him from two attacks: that he is a Muslim (because of his name) even though he is a Christian; and the name attack. I think it reprehensible that an American would compare another American with Osama. The only reason it "works" is because it rhymes and frankley that makes it that much more juvenile of an attack as it were. There are those who just love to repeat Barak Hussein Obama as if saying it over and over will somehow make him something he is not. I think it quite pathetic that some get caught up with a name.

If you don't like his stance on an issue or a lack of a stance on an issue then fine. I can deal with that. Let's debate. But Osama bin Barak Hussein Obama ? Really, is that the best argument against the guy that can be put forth?

Like you I am an ardent supporter of the right to arm myself. Like you it's a core belief that I've come to hold dear just over the past 7-8 years. I also know that Obama seems to be anti gun. But I just can't limit my vote to just one issue. Of all the issues that this country and the next administration will face do you really think he will want to take on guns? Will he have time to take on guns when there is Iraq, Iran, NK, Pak, China, Russia, Afghanistan, illegal aliens, taxes, health care, trade issues, infrastructure issues? It's my belief that a lesson has been learned (although maybe hasn't been completely absorbed yet) regarding gun control. I believe the Dem's know it's not an issue they want to tackle.

As the saying goes "that's my story and I'm stickin to it."

[trik396]

I love that you continuously quote me.... makes me proud.

And basically what you're saying about Os... I mean Obama, is that he is lying when he gives a pull out date for Iraq. And you're saying that McCain is more in tuned to what actually needs to be done... Interesting. We actually share the same viewpoint on that matter. Think about it... kinda scares ya doesn't it...

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

Like you I am an ardent supporter of the right to arm myself. Like you it's a core belief that I've come to hold dear just over the past 7-8 years. I also know that Obama seems to be anti gun. But I just can't limit my vote to just one issue. Of all the issues that this country and the next administration will face do you really think he will want to take on guns? Will he have time to take on guns when there is Iraq, Iran, NK, Pak, China, Russia, Afghanistan, illegal aliens, taxes, health care, trade issues, infrastructure issues? It's my belief that a lesson has been learned (although maybe hasn't been completely absorbed yet) regarding gun control. I believe the Dem's know it's not an issue they want to tackle.

As the saying goes "that's my story and I'm stickin to it."

My principle issue here Kev, is that that's the same sort of thinking that got the FIRST assault weapons ban put in place.

"Oh there's too much else going on in the world, Clinton will never have the gall to take on Gun Owners"

In the end he did. And it cost us a lot of time and effort JUST to gain back PART of the ground we lost.

Obama has said he is NOT in favor of concealed carry. He skirts around the issue of self defense in general, stating he supports the second amendment FOR HUNTING. He doesn't feel carrying a gun makes anyone safer. If that's the case I would ask that he disarm his secret service agents then.

And DON'T say that he is at a higher risk than I or anyone else is, because there's no way to indicate that. Risk is just that...risk. How does a .1% chance of my life being lost in an attack compare to a 10% chance of someone else's life being lost in an attack...it works out well when you consider that the numbers don't matter.

Call me simple minded, call me monotonous, call me a single issue voter, but in the end I will NEVER vote for a candidate that does not PROMISE to maintain my right to defend myself. I will NEVER vote for a candidate that would rather see me as a victim in my own home, than a homeowner with a smoking gun in his hand.

Beyond that I have other issues with Obama, principally they are the same issues I have with Clinton. I hear a lot of rhetoric about "change". Obama wants to "change" the direction this country is headed in...but change how...and where?

Okay...he wants to pull troops out of Iraq.....how, when, what next?

He has essentially run his campaign on the "I'm not G.W Bush" tenet and people are so fed up with Bush it's worked out well for him.

I see him speak. I hear him talk about HOPE FOR CHANGE and CHANGING HOPE, and HOPE, and CHANGE, and babies, and rainbow squirting out his butt but I don't see a plan.

I see a man with a lot of big dreams, and a lot of ambition. I see a man that's so wrapped up in his own positive ideology that he's convinced if he's elected things will become so great in America people won't NEED guns for protection. I see a man with an idea of what he wants our country to be and absolutely NO idea where the hell he's going to take us to get us there.

He's got the quintessential hippie mindset. I remember reading something written by an old man once who had been part of the hippie generation and had fallen in well with their ideology. He thought it would be great to be communist, everyone would be fed, everyone would be happy. So he picked up and moved onto a commune with some buddies, and after eating 6 months worth of nothing but noodles with butter he realized that it just wasn't going to work. No one had planned out what was going to get them from where they were to where they wanted to be.They just assumed once they "changed things" they would get there.

Thats why I've said before, there's no man in America that scares me quite as much as Obama. He's the first person I've seen in my lifetime that I feel has had the power to lead America down the road to hell by keepings the public eyes off the horizon and on the pavement of change, hope, and good intentions.

This lack of planning, if we're lucky, will be Obama's downfall this election. Think about the "Clinging to guns and religion" quote. There was no foresight there. If he had just stopped for 2 minutes and THOUGHT about the comment he was making I'm convinced he's a bright enough guy he would have avoided it. In one simple stroke Obama essentially insulted EVERY member of the country who either A) owns a gun, B) is religious, or C) both. I don't believe he INTENDED to...but it doesn't really matter. In reference to a quote I made above, the road to hell is PAVED with good intentions.

That sort of action right there conveys an inability to think clearly and quickly, and an inability to properly strategize, and that's not the kind of man I want leading MY country. If he can't even get through an entire campaign season without completely debasing the core beliefs of half or more of the voting population, how the heck is he going to survive foreign policy debates where EVERYTHING is on the table?

I guess what I'm trying to say is in the end...YES America has it's problems, but at the end of the day we're still the nation that churns out the most prosperous, ingenious, and productive individuals on the planet. So if you want to CHANGE us, you'd better have a damned good reason, and you'd better have a plan.

[akhimark]

nice post robinsre.

Change that has been promised under an Obama administration:

We will abandon the Iraqi theater in the war against fundamental Islam
Taxes will go up substantially
Government regulation will increase substantially
Government healthcare for all
BHO will sit down to negotiate with the honorable leaders of N. Korea and Iran
Guns will not be needed and will be taken away from law abiding citizens (only)
The govenrment will decide how much profit you can make (windfall profits tax)

I'm sure there's more, but I'm starting to depress myself.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by akhimark

nice post robinsre.

Change that has been promised under an Obama administration:

We will abandon the Iraqi theater in the war against fundamental Islam
Taxes will go up substantially
Government regulation will increase substantially
Government healthcare for all
BHO will sit down to negotiate with the honorable leaders of N. Korea and Iran
Guns will not be needed and will be taken away from law abiding citizens (only)
The govenrment will decide how much profit you can make (windfall profits tax)

I'm sure there's more, but I'm starting to depress myself.

Promised? By who? Rush Limbaugh? Don't believe everything you hear....especially when it's not from the person you are criticizing.

I highly doubt I'd vote for Obama (but not impossible...I'll hold off final judgement until a real campaign is fully run and try and be as informed as possible..which isn't possible at this point IMO - what seems to me to be the only rational way of making a decision)...as of now I'm anticipating voting for McCain. But everything you listed is either (AFAIK) either not true or a distortion of the truth, or something that MAY be true, but worded as if it is inherently a bad thing while devoid of details.

Really does sound far too much like the scare crap I hear from the right-wing talking heads. (Usually I hear it here regurgitated by adoring empty headed "proud ditto-heads" because I would not waste my time listening to the stuff on the radio or TV). None of whom I'd ever believe (any more than I would the extreme left talking heads).



Peace,
D.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Delija

But everything you listed is either not true or a distortion of the truth, or something that MAY be true, but worded as if it is inherently a bad thing while devoid of details.

Thank you!! This is EXACTLY what so many do on this website do and this is what many conservative columnists and commentators do, including Thomas Sowell.

I'm going to repeat this line again and again if you don't mind.