McCain Wants To Restart the Cold War

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

They are things that need to be watched.

Why?

[afmo]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Are any of these things the business of the United States?

isolationist tactics don't bode well for our future...ww2 anyone? Oh hitler? whats that got to do with us? meanwhile millions are dying...

also that article you linked says "from russia's point of view" that the cold war ramp up is bush's fault. well no duh! you think they're gonna print that their KGB leader is instigating another CW? hell no! and since blaming bush for EVERYTHING is hot couture right now, why the hell not, lets blame something else on him too!

and it surprises you that russia is concerned that two former comm-bloc countries want access to NATO? I sure see that as a threat to someone who's goal is to reaffirm Russia's status as a superpower. The more countries over there with allies the worse it bodes for any kind of super-power bid.

This has been brewing for long before bush took office. This has been brewing since the fall of communism and this disbandment of the Soviet Union. We're now starting to see the outcome in the form of Vladimir Putin and his cold war rhetoric tactics.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Frenchy
They are things that need to be watched.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Why?

While I don't advocate involving ourselves in the business of other nations, it is foolhardy not to watch.
The old adage...Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Even Ron Paul would agree with this.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by afmo

isolationist tactics don't bode well for our future...ww2 anyone? Oh hitler? whats that got to do with us? meanwhile millions are dying...

also that article you linked says "from russia's point of view" that the cold war ramp up is bush's fault. well no duh! you think they're gonna print that their KGB leader is instigating another CW? hell no! and since blaming bush for EVERYTHING is hot couture right now, why the hell not, lets blame something else on him too!

and it surprises you that russia is concerned that two former comm-bloc countries want access to NATO? I sure see that as a threat to someone who's goal is to reaffirm Russia's status as a superpower. The more countries over there with allies the worse it bodes for any kind of super-power bid.

This has been brewing for long before bush took office. This has been brewing since the fall of communism and this disbandment of the Soviet Union. We're now starting to see the outcome in the form of Vladimir Putin and his cold war rhetoric tactics.

Don't you think the U.S. push to get the Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is just thumbing our nose in Putin's face?

I posted two articles that said that Putin is in large part reacting to Bush's bellicosity. One was in the American Conservative magazine.

And, where are millions dying?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

While I don't advocate involving ourselves in the business of other nations, it is foolhardy not to watch.
The old adage...Keep your friends closer, and your enemies closer.
Even Ron Paul would agree with this.

No, I agree that we should be alert to dangers. However, it wasn't long ago that Russia was our new-found friend (prior to George Bush that is).

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

No, I agree that we should be alert to dangers. However, it wasn't long ago that Russia was our new-found friend (prior to George Bush that is).

Even after George Bush. Have you forgotten the buddy-buddy routine at the ranch?
Being friends is one thing...getting along is quite another. I would be happy with the latter.

[Dutter]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The Bush administration's policies are largely responsible for Putin's actions.


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To Russia with Realism

You're clueless.....

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Dutter

You're clueless.....

Hardly.

[afmo]

Don't you think the U.S. push to get the Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is just thumbing our nose in Putin's face?

I posted two articles that said that Putin is in large part reacting to Bush's bellicosity. One was in the American Conservative magazine.

i think that in part that is a correct assesment, but i think that its more a product of Putin/Russia's continued campaign to strong-arm and dominate former soviet republics, and continued cold war tactics... To say that Putin is only reacting to GWB's policies is to assume that all the actions of nations happen in a vacuum and that the only link is a direct one. There may be a small causal relationship between the policies of GWB and the actions of Putin/Russia, but i think to say that GWB's policies are the biggest factor in russia's actions is foolish, and just another thing to blame GWB for.

Russia and Georgia have been playing the puff-out-the-chest-game for a while now, and i think its probably a good thing that someone is keeping Putin's cold war tactics in check. McCain may be calling for the ouster of Russia from the G8, but its hardly without cause. They are flying planes in cold war style formations, searching for more powerful nukes, and unrest in their former republics. Not to mention Russia/Putin's on-again-off-again agreement with Iran to sell missiles to them, their selling of Arms to venezuela, and their $3 billion arms contract to Libya. Now tell me...who's ramping up the cold war rhetoric here?

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

I agree to a degree but Putin is old guard KGB, and his style is to move Russia back to world prominence.

I agree with Frenchy 100%.

I will definitely lay some blame on Bush. To what degree, I am not sure, but will say that Frenchy is dead on that Putin is "old guard".

Yes, he says he is responding to U.S. and NATO actions, but I also sensed that he was looking for a reason, anyway. He definitely seems sentimental when conversation of the Soviet Union comes up.