Bush sings "José Can You See?" (part 1)

[Ride the Lightning]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

There is not ONE PART of the Katrina disaster that the current administration got right. Not one part. From no help in strengthening the levees in the decades prior to FEMA's dismal actions after the levees broke. They bungled New Orleans from start to finish.

You can't put Katrina on the shoulders of the feds. They sent money to LA for the levees and it ended up building casinos and other "more useful" things. They sent help after the fact and it was turned away. IMHO, the powers that be in LA bare almost all of the blame. They didn't do what they should have before the storm, so they made every effort to cover it up after it was over by trying to prevent people from coming to help. They even tried to help evacuate people before the storm, but were not allowed to do so.

[one-eyed-fatman]

You can't put Katrina on the shoulders of the feds. They sent money to LA for the levees and it ended up building casinos and other "more useful" things.

I have no problem blaming the feds. They dole out money like cotton candy and don't give a tinkers damn where it goes or what it gets spent on. I call that being very irresponsible to the American taxpayer. We have every right to blame the feds.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

I have no problem blaming the feds. They dole out money like cotton candy and don't give a tinkers damn where it goes or what it gets spent on. I call that being very irresponsible to the American taxpayer. We have every right to blame the feds.

I agree. Louisiana's state and local politics and politicians may have made a bad mess worse (or even helped to bring it about), but man.....the 'buck stops" somewhere, and that's where the money is. After all the blame shifting and name calling, etc.....the bottom line is this was declared a national emergency, the resulting mess was handed over to a federal agency, they have the money, they (supposedly) have the resources, and yet the place is still a disgrace. There's nothing I know of that gives any local pols in La. the authority to direct the Army Corps of Engineers to do anything!

Whatever...it's obvious that this has become just another partisan "blame the Reps, no blame the Dems" political issue. Too bad. Last time I checked, N.O. was part of this country.....a country that used to care about the general welfare of it's citizens. Reading these posts....I'm completely blown away (as I was when I heard Barbara Bush's comments) that somehow this is about criminal elements from N.O. bringing crime to another part of the country? What's the relevance?

Oh, yeah...guess it fits right in with the kind of nonsense about God punishing the place for it's unChristian and immoral culture. Just like He did to NYC on 9/11. Gotta wonder what Jesus Himself would say about all this "tolerance" if He was around. My bet is he would clearly re-define the meaning of the word "Christian" to a lot of folks who claim (often loudest) to adhere to the philosophy named for Him.

Is it possible for this country to become any more divided? A natural disaster occurs, fingers are pointed. A terrorist attack occurs, fingers are pointed. A part if the Interstate Highway System collapses into the Mississippi, fingers are pointed.

Big surprise we read in another current thread here that Singapore's Int. airport is "superior" to JFK in NY. Or that the Berlin train station is "superior" to Penn Station. The Austrian and German highways are better, the "work ethic" of the Asian peoples are "better"....on and on.

Maybe that's partly the result what eventaully happens when a country is constantly at war with itself.

Good for the politicians? Maybe.....there has to be SOME reason for the cultivation of all this bad blood...., bad for their constituents? No doubt about that!

Where are our taxes going? We borrow money from China to give it away in Iraq, etc....

We can rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, but can't fix a bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul without raising local sales taxes (or whatever the current band-aid solution is while the federal govt. can't find the money....enough to run the war in Iraq for an hour or two).

The situation in N.O. is a problem for the people there. For the rest of America it's a symptom.

Peace,
D.

[Ride the Lightning]

So the people of NO would have been better off if the feds hadn't given them money to fix the levees? Would that be more responsible?

I don't think the feds are completely without blame, but they don't bare as much of it as LA government does.

IMHO, if you are foolish enough to live on the coast in a city that's 25 ft below sea level you deserve what you get. What's worse is that we've spent huge sums of money to rebuild it and it's probably going to happen again in my lifetime.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Ride the Lightning

IMHO, if you are foolish enough to live on the coast in a city that's 25 ft below sea level you deserve what you get. .

Exactly the kind of "enlightened" thought process I was alluding to.

Go explain to the children who were born in N.O. how they "deserved what they got" for choosing the wrong parents when God asked them where and to whom they wanted to be born.

RTL, what would YOU be doing right now if you told God you wanted to be born in what was Burma at the time, and is now Myanmar.....right in the path of the cyclone? Or maybe to some impoverished Kurdish couple where Sadam decided to see how effective his mass murder equipment was.

Your thinking is exactly what's wrong with this country. But at least you have plenty of (thoughtless, or thought-incapable) company.

"The Ugly American" isn't just the title of a book. It's the wrong face of American shown to the world by our most intolerant and self absorbed "citizens".....those who aren't even self aware enough to realize they're Americans purely by luck.

Sort of disproves the whole theory of Karma.

Peace,
D.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Delija

Exactly the kind of "enlightened" thought process I was alluding to.

Your thinking is exactly what's wrong with this country. But at least you have plenty of (thoughtless, or thought-incapable) company.

More personal jabs, condescending behavior, and disrespect...nothing new here considering the source.

How DARE RTL express an opinion that is different than yours. I think he showed great courage doing so, probably knowing that he would be seemingly labeled as being "thoughtless" and/or "thought-incapable".

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Thanks,

Frank

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

More personal jabs, condescending behavior, and disrespect...nothing new here considering the source.

How DARE RTL express an opinion that is different than yours. I think he showed great courage doing so, probably knowing that he would be seemingly labeled as being "thoughtless" and/or "thought-incapable".



Thanks,

Frank

Grow up and listen to the man franky. He's been around a lot longer than you and has much more experience than you do in real life. He didn't get his brains from the internet like the kids of today.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Grow up and listen to the man franky. He's been around a lot longer than you and has much more experience than you do in real life. He didn't get his brains from the internet like the kids of today.

What the hell does that have to do with insulting others

Does having "much more experience" excuse insults?

Frank

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

What the hell does that have to do with insulting others

Does having "much more experience" excuse insults?

Frank

This is the political forum. Your feelings are going to get hurt from time to time. Get use to it or stay the hell out of this forum.

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by Ride the Lightning

IMHO, if you are foolish enough to live on the coast in a city that's 25 ft below sea level you deserve what you get. What's worse is that we've spent huge sums of money to rebuild it and it's probably going to happen again in my lifetime.

Well thank your lucky stars that there are enough illegal aliens available to rebuild the city of Nuevo Orleanza. If the residents don't come back they will even repopulate it for them.

There will be no more gumbo. Pass me a tortilla.

PS happy cinco de whatever.