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PolsVoice · 05-01-2008, 03:29 PM

I'm hoping that this doesn't belong in the political discussions group. I imagine that most of us are of the same mind on most of the issues, but I have some questions about how the courts have held 2nd Amendment interpretation.

If this does belong in the other group, Mods, feel free to move it.

Questions:

Why does the Amendment protect the right to 'keep and bear arms', and not protect just the right to 'bear arms'?

Is there significance that the Amendment is constructed of two clauses?

Who or what is the Amendment indicating by "Militia"?

What relationship does our term 'militia; today have with "Militia" in 1789?

What is meant by "well regulated", relative to "Militia"?

Just curious.

tobie_69 · 05-01-2008, 03:50 PM

The like the way Penn and Teller explain it.

YouTube - Penn & Teller on the 2nd Amendment

PolsVoice · 05-01-2008, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobie_69

The like the way Penn and Teller explain it.

YouTube - Penn & Teller on the 2nd Amendment

Cool. Thanks.

BTW, how did a magical duo turn into political spokespeople?

Krackels · 05-01-2008, 04:40 PM

I'd suggest listening to this.

It's especially relevant since it talks about the Second Amendment and the DC v. Heller case.
First Look: Supreme Court Heller Case Oral Arguments - Episode #079 Gun Rights Advocates Podcast

Deadcenter · 05-01-2008, 04:50 PM

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

afmo · 05-01-2008, 05:02 PM

i believe that they protected the right to KEEP them as well as BEAR them so that the government couldn't round up the guns and keep them in designated areas when they weren't being beard (is that a word? lol). The framers wanted the control of the weapons to remain in the hands of the citizens in the event that a violent overthrow of the government was necessary.

**Frenchy** · 05-01-2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:

they weren't being beard (is that a word? lol).

Born...I think!!!

**AZXD** · 05-01-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

beard (is that a word? lol).

Word game..
If you mean To Carry ... No, I don't think that is a word.

ETA: Well what do ya know .. I might be interpreting it wrong, but maybe it is the right us of that word.

Quote:

7.to oppose boldly; defy: It took courage for the mayor to beard the pressure groups.
2. To confront boldly

05-01-2008, 03:29 PM	#1
PolsVoice XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 397	2nd Amendment questions. I'm hoping that this doesn't belong in the political discussions group. I imagine that most of us are of the same mind on most of the issues, but I have some questions about how the courts have held 2nd Amendment interpretation. If this does belong in the other group, Mods, feel free to move it. Questions: Why does the Amendment protect the right to 'keep and bear arms', and not protect just the right to 'bear arms'? Is there significance that the Amendment is constructed of two clauses? Who or what is the Amendment indicating by "Militia"? What relationship does our term 'militia; today have with "Militia" in 1789? What is meant by "well regulated", relative to "Militia"? Just curious. __________________ "Rights that go unexercised have a way of becoming privileges" Springfield XD9 Service Weatherby Vanguard 7mm-08 Remington 11-87 AK47 - Romy G. Kawai BL-51

05-01-2008, 04:40 PM	#4
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,562 Blog Entries: 5	I'd suggest listening to this. It's especially relevant since it talks about the Second Amendment and the DC v. Heller case. First Look: Supreme Court Heller Case Oral Arguments - Episode #079 Gun Rights Advocates Podcast __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call

05-01-2008, 05:02 PM	#6
afmo XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,607	i believe that they protected the right to KEEP them as well as BEAR them so that the government couldn't round up the guns and keep them in designated areas when they weren't being beard (is that a word? lol). The framers wanted the control of the weapons to remain in the hands of the citizens in the event that a violent overthrow of the government was necessary. __________________ I survived 8 years of vitriolic hate directed towards George W. Bush. The shoe is on the other foot now: Barack Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT. Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

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05-01-2008, 03:50 PM	#2
tobie_69 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 21	The like the way Penn and Teller explain it. YouTube - Penn & Teller on the 2nd Amendment

05-01-2008, 04:50 PM	#5
Deadcenter XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Trucking the USA Posts: 903	http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt -STATUTE- (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.