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[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by jcabin

2. We arent part of the UN

Originally Posted by xds&chevys

2.we arent in the un, he just still dosent want to sign over our country that our forefathers fought so bravely to earn. They did it for themselves and for you and me. It's ours lets keep it.

Uh... the US was a driving force behind establishing the UN. First we did the League of Nations, then when that didn't work out we did the UN. It would be pretty incredible if a founding member of the UN, and the only superpower left in the world, dropped out of the UN.

United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of the United Nations

I'm fine arguing about whether or not the UN is useful or necessary or effective, but let's start with the fact that it exists, we helped found it, and we're an active member.

Originally Posted by jcabin

5. NAU, North American Union. Its being passed around in congress as we speak, and supposedly has already been signed off on, as well as the Amero, (American, canadian, mexican, south american) version of the Euro.

Nope. Heard an interview the other day with Daniel Carr, the guy who created the "Amero coin". It was an art piece, and is NOT an actual or intended currency. That's why in the pictures it has "DC" on the back. (The DC actually stands for Carr's company, "Designs Computed".)

North American currency union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by jcabin

Stop getting all your news off CNN.

Hey, find me a reliable news source for the NAU/superhighway claims. I read the link AZXD provided, and there's some good information there, but at the end of the day we're arguing over what some unspecified people intend. Proving intentions is almost impossible, especially if one side (the "NAU is real" side) doesn't trust the statements by those people regarding their intentions.

I do think it's hilarious that when Cheney denies the NAU, nobody believes him, but during the run-up to Iraq we believed every word out of his mouth.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

Uh... the US was a driving force behind establishing the UN. First we did the League of Nations, then when that didn't work out we did the UN. It would be pretty incredible if a founding member of the UN, and the only superpower left in the world, dropped out of the UN.

United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of the United Nations

I'm fine arguing about whether or not the UN is useful or necessary or effective, but let's start with the fact that it exists, we helped found it, and we're an active member.



Nope. Heard an interview the other day with Daniel Carr, the guy who created the "Amero coin". It was an art piece, and is NOT an actual or intended currency. That's why in the pictures it has "DC" on the back. (The DC actually stands for Carr's company, "Designs Computed".)

North American currency union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Hey, find me a reliable news source for the NAU/superhighway claims. I read the link AZXD provided, and there's some good information there, but at the end of the day we're arguing over what some unspecified people intend. Proving intentions is almost impossible, especially if one side (the "NAU is real" side) doesn't trust the statements by those people regarding their intentions.

I do think it's hilarious that when Cheney denies the NAU, nobody believes him, but during the run-up to Iraq we believed every word out of his mouth.

Is this why you chose to discuss the SPP ???
I mean really, the SPP and the highway are interrelated, IMO.

But if you want to talk UN ..... Does it matter who founded the organization ?? ..... If it can be shown to be non-beneficial to the U.S. why stay with an organization that attempt to now lock this country into obligations that have a negative benefit to this country ??

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Buy some land, build a house, sell a portion of the land, watch a housing development go up, then sign into agreement with the home owners association for the housing development and be contractually bound to the rules of others ....... Yep! .. Got it! .... America is out of control and needs to be controlled at the international level. If they do not conform, we will fine them, or at least attemptto make them look bad in front of their international peers.

Currently, the United States has 20 World Heritage Sites and 47 Biosphere Reserves encompassing 51 million acres - an area nearly the size of Colorado.3 The U.S. is required to regularly report to the U.N. on the status of its World Heritage Sites, specifically its "preservation and protection techniques and its efforts to encourage public awareness about cultural and national heritage."4

What is especially disturbing about U.N. World Heritage Site and Biosphere Reserve designations are that they can be made by the executive branch unilaterally without congressional approval. Under the terms of the World Heritage Treaty, the President doesn't need to consult anyone before placing U.S. territory under the thumb of the U.N.
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I suppose the idea of obligating U.S. resources to generate all these reports and satisfy a nosy neighbor is OK in your book. I suppose financial obligations are OK as well.
You mentioned the League of Nations .... Do you know why the League failed ???

Also, the history of the UN link is very enlightening!!! ...

representatives of 26 nations pledged their governments to continue fighting together against the Axis Powers.

Uh, the war against the AXIS is over and the group has become a nosy neighbor that wastes time and resources.
But hey they are now a great repository for BS agreements, the establishment of meetings that allow those who fight the AXIS (remember the war is over) to have center stage and trash talk this country ... Ya know while being hosted by this country ..... So give me another reason to stay in anything more than a very loose association with the UN.

On the bright side ... Their helmets do make good targets

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

I do think it's hilarious that when Cheney denies the NAU, nobody believes him, but during the run-up to Iraq we believed every word out of his mouth.

Sorry, I guess I missed this part.
It's not hilarious .. It's called propaganda and it was used very effectively by the WH to rally the people into Iraq.
Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire C-SPAN
What changed ??
Talking NAU and Cheney .... perhaps propaganda works for both sides of an argument

[AZXD]

Dead battery ??

[xds&chevys]

It would appear that the only thing anyone disagrees with is the UN.
So I guess that means that all 371 people that viewed this post agree...

Ron Paul 2008

Proud to "waste" my vote on a worthy candidate....

[Ishpeck]

I love how when people try to expose the dark secrets about Ron Paul, they list all the reasons why I think he's awesome.

You know all the reasons why anybody claims to hate Ron Paul? Yeah, those are the reasons why he's awesome, folks. He threatens the status quo. Anybody who subsists on extortion money (AKA: Taxes), anybody who's life revolves around deceit and disenfranchisement (the press, the two parties) are deeply resentful of him and do their damnedest to push him into a corner and have him ignored.

[xds&chevys]

People thought we were crazy to have a bunch of "dumb" farmers take on the british army in the Revolutionary War. If that isn't the definition of UNDERDOG, please tell me what is.

[AZXD]

Death to vision and hope!

Vote for more of the same!

[Judge]

yeah baby, Obama will give us change....

Originally Posted by AZXD

Death to vision and hope!

Vote for more of the same!

[xds&chevys]

Originally Posted by Judge

yeah baby, Obama will give us change....

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