"The wealthy need to pay their share of taxes"...huh?

[mgeoffriau]

So if we cut all the bull**** out of the tax code, there will be less opportunity for rich folks to pay creative accountants lots of money to save them even more money. And those creative accountants will be forced to actually do something productive rather than wasting their creativity and intellect helping people circumvent the tax code.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

So if we cut all the bull**** out of the tax code, there will be less opportunity for rich folks to pay creative accountants lots of money to save them even more money. And those creative accountants will be forced to actually do something productive rather than wasting their creativity and intellect helping people circumvent the tax code.

I guess they would then have to become Attorneys. What other profession would suit that sort of talent and training?

[FLSTFI Dave]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Ahh yes...unintended consequences.

Another fault of the green lobby and those crying "we must do SOMETHING."

We DID something...and it caused other disasters...and they don't see the root cause nor do they care.

- Brickboy240

Exactly

Sort of goes along with Governor Gramholm of MI, and the unintended consequences of her Raising all taxes in MI, especially those on business.

She turned the Michigan Miricle of Engler, where for the first time in Decades, MI had employment growth, and people moving into the state and businesses moving into the state. Gramholm, reversed that in less than two years, and moved Michigan back to the Highest unemployment in the USA....

[kannibul]

Originally Posted by east_stingray

Being a moral person means not stealing from others, even if it would benefit you. I'm glad to see we have people on the board who live by what they think is right rather than by what would put more money in their outstretched hand.

It works both ways. You can not divide by zero.

[kannibul]

Originally Posted by bigpov

I wouldn't suggest taking them away. Just tightening up what justifies being on whalefare or living in government housing. Some of my extended family has been on food stamps and has been through rough times and I'm glad it was there to help. But they did eventually get back on their feet and started to provide for themselves again.

One of the things you pointed out was that there are more that need it than beat it, but how much are the ones that beat it costing American tax payers? They may be a small percentage, but a small percentage of a number in the millions still ends up being a lot of cabbage (cash), right? Like I said, I'm all for helping people in need out, but there comes a point in almost everyones life that they need to buck up and better their own lot in life. Granted there are some that really can't work, or can't afford their own home, but there are a lot of people that will just continue to make due with what bleeding heart liberals will give them, until we take a stand and cut them off.

How would you suggest that we tighten things up? Limit how long they can be housed? Who's going to determine how long someone needs to be on assisted housing? Do we house single mothers longer than single fathers? How about mothers with 2 kids less than one with 3 kids? How about those that make 18K a year, vs the ones that make 22K/yr?



Seriously...


We already do background checks for income. Of course, that doesn't show illegal sources, which, the IRS doesn't touch either, ya know?

Remember that these people also have the right to privacy and so on too.

[kannibul]

Originally Posted by bigpov

That fits. And all the other liberal democrats in this country. My extended family are all a bunch of bleeding hearts and all seem to think along the same lines. Throw more and more money at the problem, i.e. public schools, government assistance, etc, and things are bound to get better. Like I said before, throwing endless amounts of cash into a faultering system won't fix it. Rules and regulations need to be changed and incorperated, then increasing the funding. Some liberals seem to see this as plain as day when it comes to the war, because that hurts Bush. But they can't see it when it comes to all this other stuff? I think most just turn a blind eye.

Running the government like a business makes sense to only to those who have not worked for the government.

There is WAY more red tape....you know we still have to track how many minorities apply to work for us? That's been off of every job application since at least the mid 90's - but we have it on ours, and it's required...

When we have a contract out for something like roof repair, we have a section in there where they get points if they have a minority or female owned business....

You don't get that with private...you just get a quote and you go.

[Brickboy240]

Ahhh yes, but take any business in the country...pick one..and run it like the US govt. and it will be gone by the end of the next week!

LOL

- Brickboy240

(govt. SHOULD be run like a business, but since the elected officials are all failures at that or have no business expereince at all...why would you expect them to ever see the merits of that?)

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Ahhh yes, but take any business in the country...pick one..and run it like the US govt. and it will be gone by the end of the next week!

LOL

- Brickboy240

(govt. SHOULD be run like a business, but since the elected officials are all failures at that or have no business expereince at all...why would you expect them to ever see the merits of that?)

Wrong. U S auto dealerships are just as big a crooks as our government is. They been around a long time.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Wrong. U S auto dealerships are just as big a crooks as our government is. They been around a long time.

Explain...

[bigun]

Originally Posted by kannibul

Sure, when you consider the dollar having a flat value across the board.

Lets take tax off the table.

I have $100. You have $1.

We both go to McDonalds. I order something off the Dollar menu, and you order something off the dollar menu.

Who does that dollar mean more to? Who felt that cost more?


Because it's based on percentages, of course people who have more, pay more. However, when you consider that the value of a dollar for a person who has billions and recieves $200K/yr on interest alone, versus someone who earns $50K/yr working their butts off -the value of the dollar is NOT equal - thus, taxation on that dollar should also not be equal.

What gets me is the people who DON'T pay taxes AND have the money and the means to pay their share...

You mean like the Kennedy's or Clintons. Who can forget Clinton writing off his underwear because he only wears them once and donates them to charity. After laundering in pure BLEACH I hope.