"The wealthy need to pay their share of taxes"...huh?

[Brickboy240]

Ahhh yes...carbon taxes are...in the end..a typical movement by the left:

.....symbolism over substance.

Boggles the mind...I cannot even force myself to think that way.

- Brickboy240

[east_stingray]

This is a bit off topic for the thread, but a few of you have brought up ethanol.

Time did a very good piece on Ethanol and other "green" fuels in this year's April edition. I'm not sure if that's available online, but if not, you should all try to get ahold of this month's TIME and read it.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Originally Posted by east_stingray

This is a bit off topic for the thread, but a few of you have brought up ethanol.

Time did a very good piece on Ethanol and other "green" fuels in this year's April edition. I'm not sure if that's available online, but if not, you should all try to get ahold of this month's TIME and read it.

Holey cow, an articale in that liberal rag that did not make me want to puke....

The World's Growing Food-Price Crisis - TIME

The push to produce biofuels as an alternative to hydrocarbons is further straining food supplies, especially in the U.S., where generous subsidies for ethanol have lured thousands of farmers away from growing crops for food. "The area used for biofuels is increasing each year," says Nik Bienkowski, head of research at ETF Securities, a commodities-trading firm in London. To make matters worse, global stockpiles of some basics have dwindled to their lowest point in decades. Rice — a staple for billions of Asians — has soared to its highest price in 20 years, while supplies are at their lowest level since the early 1980s, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Meanwhile, the global supply of wheat is lower than it's been in about 50 years — just five weeks' worth of world consumption is on hand, according to the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization.

Only thing they are not clear on in the above, is they say Bio fuel, when in fact, it is Ethanal causing the problem and the subsides, Bio diesel is not the issue......

Still a strong left slant, but I do agree with the premis

[Brickboy240]

Ahh yes...unintended consequences.

Another fault of the green lobby and those crying "we must do SOMETHING."

We DID something...and it caused other disasters...and they don't see the root cause nor do they care.

- Brickboy240

[XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Ahh yes...unintended consequences.

We DID something...and it caused other disasters...and they don't see the root cause nor do they care.

- Brickboy240

This is all to true. My dad being in home construction ran into a problem concerning an endangered snake that no one has seen in the area since something like 79. So anyway the local enviromental watchdog (which works for the city he is building in) can just come in and say "this is a possible habitat for the snake," with absolutley no proof that it has lived or is currently living there. So inorder to build on the land he has to hire a specific snake surveyer that charges something stupid like $8000 an acre. Coincidentally this private company that surveys for these snakes are all former employees of this enviromental watch dog that works for the city.. Try and tell me there isn't some racketeering going on here. Now with this hold up to prevent the evil developers from destroying more land it means less jobs for the construction workers, less money for the city due to less new families moving in and buying a house that they would be paying sales and property taxes on and paying off a loan, not to mention bringing revenue to surrounding buisnesses.

[MikeA]

Originally Posted by XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact

This is all to true. My dad being in home construction ran into a problem concerning an endangered snake that no one has seen in the area since something like 79. So anyway the local enviromental watchdog (which works for the city he is building in) can just come in and say "this is a possible habitat for the snake," with absolutley no proof that it has lived or is currently living there. So inorder to build on the land he has to hire a specific snake surveyer that charges something stupid like $8000 an acre. Coincidentally this private company that surveys for these snakes are all former employees of this enviromental watch dog that works for the city.. Try and tell me there isn't some racketeering going on here. Now with this hold up to prevent the evil developers from destroying more land it means less jobs for the construction workers, less money for the city due to less new families moving in and buying a house that they would be paying sales and property taxes on and paying off a loan, not to mention bringing revenue to surrounding buisnesses.

yeah, but the snake is safe...

mike

[JeffXD]

Originally Posted by XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact

This is all to true. My dad being in home construction ran into a problem concerning an endangered snake that no one has seen in the area since something like 79. So anyway the local enviromental watchdog (which works for the city he is building in) can just come in and say "this is a possible habitat for the snake," with absolutley no proof that it has lived or is currently living there. So inorder to build on the land he has to hire a specific snake surveyer that charges something stupid like $8000 an acre. Coincidentally this private company that surveys for these snakes are all former employees of this enviromental watch dog that works for the city.. Try and tell me there isn't some racketeering going on here. Now with this hold up to prevent the evil developers from destroying more land it means less jobs for the construction workers, less money for the city due to less new families moving in and buying a house that they would be paying sales and property taxes on and paying off a loan, not to mention bringing revenue to surrounding buisnesses.

Too bad there wasn't an accidental hoe incident.

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

I am waiting for a good explaination on how a carbon tax is beneficial, good for our economy or good for the country or even the earth in general. Then..maybe I'll take you seriously.

Call it idealogical rigidity all you want, but if there is some sort of huge advantage to more of whats giving us expensive gas, food and just about killing our economy as we know it (green legislation) than you owe it to us to explain the benefits.

Remember, I am a public school educated, closed minded red-stater that is clinging to myr guns...enlighten me please. I cannot get there from here on my own.

- Brickboy240

BRAVO BB240! A carbon tax is beneficial to all those who eat up political BS. Cows will give more milk, Ice caps will quit melting and all the world will be saved because a bunch of dumb asses think stupid. Another political con job.

[akhimark]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

BRAVO BB240! A carbon tax is beneficial to all those who eat up political BS. Cows will give more milk, Ice caps will quit melting and all the world will be saved because a bunch of dumb asses think stupid. Another political con job.

BS is an appropriate abbreviation for Broken Science! Broken Science is the only way you can make man responsible for global warming.

[cjive134]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Myth:

The rich are hiding their wealth from the taxman, get all sorts of breaks and need to pay their fair share of taxes.

(as repeated by Hillary and Obama over and over again...)



Truth:

The top 25% of wage earners pay 86% of all Federal Income Taxes.

The top 50% of wage earners pay 97% of all Federal Income Taxes.

The top 1% of wage earners pay 39% of all Federal Income Taxes.

(looks like the wealthy are shouldering almost ALL the income tax burden!)


meanwhile....
The bottom 25% of wage earners pay NO Federal Income Taxes at all.

Source?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/wp1.pdf



So...when they start this "rich need to pay their fair share" garbage...think of these stats, because it looks like the wealthy and the upper middle class shoulder almost all the income tax burden and the left has the tax issue completely backwards.

Many of you probably already knew this and I find it amazing that Hillary and Obama still use the "tax breaks for the wealthy" montra to whip up their base. I would guess that their base is completely ignorant on who really shoulders the tax burden in the United States.

- Brickboy240

I'm not saying you're wrong. Educate me. When Warren Buffet says he will pay any fortune 500 CEO $1,000,000(?) if they can prove that they pay more as a percent of their income than their secretary does, show me how he is a liar.