Time Magazine Compares Iwo Jima to Global Warming

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Let's just say that the state of our environment (air quality) can't be doing us as a species, alot of good.

I've said it before but the above comment does make it appropriate again. When I go hiking, camping, etc, I see signs of man's ever-growing presence in the form of pollution. Many of the streams and rivers these days have warnings against eating the fish that you catch. In addition, we have Code Red smog days where the air is so bad that folks with respiratory disorders should remain indoors; and the kids at school are not permitted to play outside during recess. These are issues that we need to get under control and address.

With all that said though, these have nothing (IMO) to the cyclical nature of temperatures on our planet (or Mars). The public seems so hell bent on chasing global warming and trying to point the finger at the evil USA that we are avoiding tackling the issues that are without any doubt due to man's presence and irresponsible care of the planet. Out of all of these real, tangible symptoms of pollution problems, why waste such time with this Al Gore political gamesmanship on global warming.

I remember (and yes, it's a statement of my age) the Indian in the old commercials with a tear in his eye due to pollution. I was too young to appreciate the message. But now, I wish we'd wise up and see the significance of the damage that we are causing and quit with the global warming boondoggle.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

I find that odd that you would say you don't read it. I never looked at it until I saw you and Frenchy talking about it a couple of months ago. But I digress.

To your question. Let's see:

1. Pouting
2. Refuting any source that you don't care for as untrustworthy
3. Name calling
4. Changing the subject when the discussion is not going your way (Gravity as a theory, for example. Good god Etta!)

Democratic Underground - Guns

Read it and see if a poster called "Zanne" has arguments that you might recognize. It's entertaining stuff.

I admit to #2 but deny the rest. But it's more like refuting any source that IS untrustworthy.

I called someone a name in another thread, not this one, unless you care to cite where I did so in this thread.

Like I said, I don't read DU, but am aware that it exists. Maybe Frenchy reads there, but I doubt it.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Etta said that we are putting things into the air that are killing us, so I asked who has been killed.

It is a pretty simple question, really.

I don't have all the answers. That is why I was asking Etta for one.

Frank

I said that my eye doctor said that we are killing ourselves and should just clean things up for that reason alone. He thinks that cancer and other diseases are caused by what's in the air, etc.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave

I am still in surprize not one person has made a comment on my post about the cover, trying to compair this global warming, which ever side your on to Iwo Jima.

I guess I am the only veteran who takes offence to that. I think it is extremly insulting to our US Marines, and those who fought for our way of life and country.

I see one other agrees with me.
Michelle Malkin The MSM poor taste award of the week

They are comparing the fight against global warming to the fight on Iwo Jima. It will take a huge effort to combat the problem. Why is that disrespectful?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by JeffXD

Like I said earlier, there are some air quality problems and there are water quality problems that we outta do something about. We are causing those due in many cases to carelessness or even perhaps apathy. To equate those issue to large scale global climate change caused by human activity is in my opinon shortsited and emotionally motivated. I provided a link to a new source of data in one of my earlier posts that has just been made available in the few months and is only now being analyzed. It has only been recently that a method to monitor global surface tempertures has been implemented. Unlike previous global tempature monitoring that used primarly land based readings, they are now able to take oceanic readings over a much larger area.

What I am getting at is, its bad science for those researchers that continue to preach thier gospel of human caused climate change if they are unwilling to continually update thier models with any new data that becomes available. As far as I am concerned on this issue anyone still using models based exclusively on data thats more than 6 months to a year old are only trying to advance an agenda.


Soooo....

Are the air and water quality from that we should address and have the ability to repair. Yes, lets get busy.

Is there a condition of global climate change that can not be explained by other natural processes and is indeed without question caused by humans? Probably not, but there is too much data that is new and yet to come to make any conclusion at this point. Human induced climate change should stop being preached as a gospel as it has been the last several years.

I agree that any new data should be analyzed by the experts. I would think that the experts are collecting and analyzing new data all the time so they can add to their knowledge of the problem and come up with solutions.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

They are comparing the fight against global warming to the fight on Iwo Jima. It will take a huge effort to combat the problem. Why is that disrespectful?

Because so far not one global warming combatant has paid the ultimate price, their life in the battle.

Any Idea who many young marines died at Iwo Jima?

So it is extremley dispectful to think the global warming battle is anything like Iwo Jima......

Did you loose any family there? Have you served your country in Uniform? Have you lost friends in war? I have to all the above, so I find this comparison highly insulting.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave

Because so far not one global warming combatant has paid the ultimate price, their life in the battle.

Any Idea who many young marines died at Iwo Jima?

So it is extremley dispectful to think the global warming battle is anything like Iwo Jima......

Did you loose any family there? Have you served your country in Uniform? Have you lost friends in war? I have to all the above, so I find this comparison highly insulting.

Well, I found it an odd comparison myself. I have been comparing the effort required to deal with global climate change to the effort and resources dedicated to the Manhattan Project or the Apollo space program.

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I have been comparing the effort required to deal with global climate change to the effort and resources dedicated to the Manhattan Project or the Apollo space program.

And of course that is predicated on the yet-unproven assumption that:

1. Whatever trend in global temperature change that is taking place is not desireable
2. Human activity is the primary cause of such trend
3. Human activity is capable of reversing said trend

[Frenchy]

This has become a very effective and successful program in Missouri.

Missouri Stream Team Program

[JeffXD]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

This has become a very effective and successful program in Missouri.

Missouri Stream Team Program

I am all for more of that sort of activity.