York Peppermint Patties Now To Be Made in Mexico

[one-eyed-fatman]

Most Americans won't do manual labor jobs, certainly not as well or work as hard as most Mexicans. Their productivity is much higher than most Americans in the construction industry - which is why they are so prevalent there.

Anyone who would say this about the American worker (like GW did on national TV) is out of touch with reality. We did all of these jobs before corp America got chicken sh!t cheap. We the American people got shoved out of these jobs so turd brain corporations could make more profit without getting off their fat asses and I firmly believe judge is one of those with a fat ass. No reason to think if you don't have to.

[mgeoffriau]

Wait a second. If the American worker is MORE productive (ie, more work per dollar paid), then why are companies outsourcing labor to foreign workers?

[Judge]

I personally prefer to have the fat on my ass instead of in my head.

BTW, the mexican construction workers aren't paid any less. They just work.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Anyone who would say this about the American worker (like GW did on national TV) is out of touch with reality. We did all of these jobs before corp America got chicken sh!t cheap. We the American people got shoved out of these jobs so turd brain corporations could make more profit without getting off their fat asses and I firmly believe judge is one of those with a fat ass. No reason to think if you don't have to.

[Judge]

Many jobs are coming back - for example, technological improvements have caused many, many of the textile jobs lost in the 70's and 80's to come back to the US due to the need for better educated workers and productivity improvements.

Many of the IT/customer service jobs are coming back, due to communication problems with foreigners. We have many advantages in this country, where we can justify higher wages for lower tech jobs. I'm not knocking American workers, there's no way in hell I could roll 5 gallons in 10 hours, much less 8, but to think there's things they (foreigners) can do well is just naive.

The facts are simple - for example, in laying bricks all day, on average, who do you think will lay more - an average mexican or an average american worker?

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

Wait a second. If the American worker is MORE productive (ie, more work per dollar paid), then why are companies outsourcing labor to foreign workers?

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by Judge

After just berating Frank for 'not checking his facts"... can you say hypocrite?

Anyway, I've worked with them repeatedly. Here's my bio:
Post # 205: "Punished with a baby"

The private placements I used to structure involved agriculture - generally in the San Joaquin valley and Cochella valley. In 84 or 85 Congress passed a law penalizing employers for not using legal workers. We'd bot an asparagus farm (picking it is backbreaking work) and decided not to use the Mexicans (we paid them like 3.00 an hour) and hire Americans. So we ran an ad in the paper. Offered 18/hour - in 1984, which was dang good money.

The first day we had approximately 98 men show up. We hired them all. You know how many were left at the end of the day???

2.

You know how many showed up the next day???

0. Zero.

We had two choices - let the crops rot, or hire the mexicans for the work Americans didn't want to do. The rest of the San Joaquin valley (which produces like 30% of this country's fruits/vegs) had the same choice. That's why the law was never enforced, we couldn't afford to loss the production in those valleys.

Years later I was painting/remodeling houses. I handled the finishing. Had 18 men working for me at the peak. Saw my first mexican painter - guy was amazing, he would roll 5 gallons a day. My guys were luckly to do two, two & a half. I didn't hire any mexicans, I didn't trust them at first, and didn't speak spanish. But I've stayed in contact with some of the other contractors and subs, and they all agree - the housing boom that was taking place in the mid/late 90's couldn't/ wouldn't have taken place if not for the mexican labor. They worked harder and longer. Drive past a construction project and feel free to see who's working it today. As the contractors about hiring mexicans... They'll work 12, 14 hours a day some days to finish a project - without complaining. They work solid, you don't have to watch them, they don't sit down on the job if you leave them. I've talked to contractors who do business in 3 states as well as paint distributors, some who used to be my competitors before they went to work with the paint co's - while not a scientific survey, in the SE and SW, the responses are consistent.

So again, you are consistent in your track record for error. When do we get to see the next display?

That was an amazing story.

Saw my first mexican painter - guy was amazing, he would roll 5 gallons a day.

I hired some mexicans to paint the interior of my house. My insurance company was pissed because they did 5000.00 worth of damage.

They'll work 12, 14 hours a day some days to finish a project - without complaining.

I worked contract for a company recently. The mexicans stage work slowdown cause they ain't getting paid enough. They steal, I know I caught them. I worked 12 hour days, they worked 10, most of them bitch and leave.

They work solid, you don't have to watch them, they don't sit down on the job if you leave them.

I'm sure that's true. I watched a bunch of them today. They had a great time playing futball instead of building a house.

While mexicans were roofing my house they pounded six inch nails in my roof to use as a ladder on the roof.

[Judge]

Lol.. you're right. That's why contractors hire them... bb/c they do horrible owork, steal and play futbol on the job...

contractors love their inefficiency.

Why do I not believe you?

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

That was an amazing story.



I hired some mexicans to paint the interior of my house. My insurance company was pissed because they did 5000.00 worth of damage.



I worked contract for a company recently. The mexicans stage work slowdown cause they ain't getting paid enough. They steal, I know I caught them. I worked 12 hour days, they worked 10, most of them bitch and leave.



I'm sure that's true. I watched a bunch of them today. They had a great time playing futball instead of building a house.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

That was an amazing story.

I hired some mexicans to paint the interior of my house. My insurance company was pissed because they did 5000.00 worth of damage.

I worked contract for a company recently. The mexicans stage work slowdown cause they ain't getting paid enough. They steal, I know I caught them. I worked 12 hour days, they worked 10, most of them bitch and leave.

I'm sure that's true. I watched a bunch of them today. They had a great time playing futball instead of building a house.

While mexicans were roofing my house they pounded six inch nails in my roof to use as a ladder on the roof.

And there are people out there that say Mexican immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are not doing their part to adjust to American ideals and work standards. From your post it sounds like they're getting it down cold!

[one-eyed-fatman]

Originally Posted by Judge

Lol.. you're right. That's why contractors hire them... bb/c they do horrible owork, steal and play futbol on the job...

contractors love their inefficiency.

Why do I not believe you?

Probably for the same reasons I don't believe you. The difference between me and you is I believe in the America people and you believe in selling out the American people in favor of cheap wages.

[goodformeto]

I live in the heart of that (San Joaquin) valley and have watched the Mexicans build houses on top of the same farmland I watched them pick from in years past. Both sets of your arguemnents have good truths in them, just not whole truths. Mexicans/Migrants/Immigrants, whatever you want to call them, the ones in the fields and on the housing projects work their butts off! These guys don't have anyone looking out for them and they know that if they don't work they don't feed their family. They also don't make $3/hr. Many of them make a decent wage around $15 under the table. Their quality of work varies greatly, but I'll tell you that even if I volunteered to work for $3 a day this white boy isn't gettin a job picking grapes. They'll let me stack the boxes, but I'm not going anywhere near the goods, because I'm white. "You'll tear up the grapes and be askin' for more money before the weeks out." is usually what you'd hear. The building work they do sucks, but they get hired to build McMansions for places like KB and Khov. The wood is wet and warped and by the time the roofer gets there someone already cut support beams to put the HVAC system in so the roof isn't stable anyway. I'm just saying that the work they do is basically as crappy as what they are given to work with. They are the best mechanics out here though. They will make your geo metro outlast a benz with parts from a briggs and straton. Probably only cost you $50. I hate that the local economy is so dependent on them, and wish we'd use legitimate labor, but "we" don't want to pay for it. The great thing about a free market is that if we really wanted companies to hire who and where we wanted we'd only buy from the ones that did. If everytime a company like York moved jobs to Mexico it went belly up, they'd stop moving.

[goodformeto]

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

I'm sure that's true. I watched a bunch of them today. They had a great time playing futball instead of building a house.

I love futbol... GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!