Clinton touts her experience with guns

[jtkratzer]

Her experience in trying to ban them?

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

What assertion/assumption?

Geez...you wrote this in reply to me.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

If I made comments like this about John McCain, don't you think people might ask me for proof?

And now that you're called on it, you just don't have the energy. Oops. Perhaps that use a gross generalization with respect to people that differ from your political views is a bit narrow minded. We have many people that express a dislike for one candidate and yet when you probe deeper, you find they are not riding on the opposite party train either. Heck, we even have folks that have very different views on the second amendment here that would be very different than what you'd expect to find on a gun forum. Independent thinkers, wow! The kind of folks that would not go off and plagiarize someone else's words and pretend to post them as their own.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

Geez...you wrote this in reply to me.



And now that you're called on it, you just don't have the energy. Oops. Perhaps that use a gross generalization with respect to people that differ from your political views is a bit narrow minded. We have many people that express a dislike for one candidate and yet when you probe deeper, you find they are not riding on the opposite party train either. Heck, we even have folks that have very different views on the second amendment here that would be very different than what you'd expect to find on a gun forum. Independent thinkers, wow! The kind of folks that would not go off and plagiarize someone else's words and pretend to post them as their own.

I have no idea what you're talking about. And, there goes the plagiarism reference. I expect to get that a lot when people want to discredit me.

I said IF I wanted to rant about McCain like you did about Hillary, people would ask me for proof.

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I have no idea what you're talking about. And, there goes the plagiarism reference. I expect to get that a lot when people want to discredit me.

I said IF I wanted to rant about McCain like you did about Hillary, people would ask me for proof.

LOL, too funny! You lost that credit on your own. I had nothing to do with it.

And you replied to me with a subtle challenge that was repeated for you, using your own words. So no need to use all caps or bold, it's fine either way since you are avoiding the point that was made anyway.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

If I made comments like this about John McCain, don't you think people might ask me for proof?

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

Her experience in trying to ban them?

She already explained that hunters and collectors wanted the AWB anyway.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Let's just say that Hillary is lying. Let's just say. At least she REALIZES that she has to lie. That means she realizes that gun owners in this country are a large vote, and we have changed the outcomes of many past elections. Thanks for recognizing us Hillary.

Personally, I think she remembers what happened in the 1994 congressional elections. She must have read her husband's memoirs about the regret he had for passing the Brady and AWB bills.

I give her a little more credit than most others will.

At least she isn't insulting gun owner's publicly, like little Barry from Indonesia is.

[mgeoffriau]

Originally Posted by Delija

I'm beginning to understand the whole political 'backlash" concept better and better the more I read here.

I'll still vote for McCain, but I'll feel an element of shame being on the same side of this election as the rabid name calling narrow minded people here who seem not to be in favor of anything or anyone..... only opposed to whatever it is that scares them. The 'bogeyman" syndrome for lack of a better term. My guess is that while Obama made a poor decision not to 'disown' the Reverend Wright, if McCain could, he would "disown' the support he gets from the kinds of "supporters" he has that use name calling and hatred as their best (only?) way of expressing their support. he can certainly live without their support and in fact would probably be a more appealing candidate without such backers.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Rev. Wright isn't just some wackjob out there "supporting" Obama. He's been Obama's pastor for 20 years, and by all accounts, an important influence on Obama.

McCain has no control over what kind of people decide that they are supporting him, for whatever reason. And while it'd be great if he could come out and publicly divorce himself from every hate-based group that supports him, he also cannot deny that those people have votes and he might need them to win the election. As long as he's not actually pandering to them by agreeing with their wackjob ideas, I have no problem with him accepting their votes.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

LOL, too funny! You lost that credit on your own. I had nothing to do with it.

And you replied to me with a subtle challenge that was repeated for you, using your own words. So no need to use all caps or bold, it's fine either way since you are avoiding the point that was made anyway.

Yes I screwed up about not attributing my source material.

And, I still don't know what you're saying I'm avoiding. But that's okay. I think I made my point about your seething, all-encompassing, frothing, maniacal hatred for Hillary.

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Yes I screwed up about not attributing my source material.

And, I still don't know what you're saying I'm avoiding. But that's okay. I think I made my point about your seething, all-encompassing, frothing, maniacal hatred for Hillary.

I'm glad you think so...assuming these are your words, right?

[Delija]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

Sorry, I thought folks were intelligent enough to not take every statement literally. My mistake. .

No, actually MY mistake. (Really!).

Let me try and explain....I had written a response to a different post. When I was finished I cut out a good part of it for several reasons. What I had posted here regarding the "backlash' comment (and the rest, except for the final paragraph having to do with you) was what I had cut from the earlier response and saved to Wordpad (i try and remember to actually use Wordpad or something other than the XDTalk response program since I've lost a bunch of responses when relying on the XDTalk program)....don't know why, but it can be frustrating...on the other hand it often gives me the opportunity to re-think some "knee-jerk' resposes; to maybe forget them altogether, which is wise more often than not.

So forgive me for having another "knee-jerk' reaction....I used an old response which was a lazy way of doing things and while it may have been somewhat relevant, it was certainly not 'fresh" or even completely appropriate to what I hoped to address. i realized it was not appropriate to characterize you in the mix of those I feel only express negative and never positive aspects of a candidate and seem to almost exclusively do it based on emotion (often baseless) rather than of facts....which is humorous to a degree since these same people can and do so often demand facts when it suits their purposes....they seem to tenaciously cling to this double standard since it serves them well so often. (or at least is seems they do).

Anyway, JD...I didn't mean to make this personal, although I see how it appears that way...it was not my intention. I do give you more credit than it would appear from what i posted so i can only ask for you to forgive me my poor wording and innacurate assumptions and mischaracterizations.

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I'm glad you think so...assuming these are your words, right?

When is enough enough? She made a bad call, admitted it, apologized, what else is there? Has Frank's "Remember The Alamo" mentality spread so far that even reasonable (or who I thought of as "reasonable") people now embrace tenacious and unyielding and unforgiving holds on what they see as transgressions at least as horrible as mass murder of innocent women and children?

Peace,
D.