WMD's & Iraq = Democratic Hypocrisy

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

so, frank,

are you going to debate the point 5) allowing bin laden to escape and grow?

or stick with the incomplete sentence defense?

Sure...it's an opinion. I must have missed that one.

He said all of his points were "facts", but none of them are.

I don't know why you are calling on me to keep this going when bountyhunter has cut and run from yet another thread.

I only brought up the incomplete sentence thing because bountyhunter does it to me and others.

Frank

[eric_t12]

well i understand that, but you debated every point except that one.

i called on you because you made a point to refute the entire post more or less, except that point.

we didn't have Osama cornered at Tora bora?

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

well i understand that, but you debated every point except that one.

i called on you because you made a point to refute the entire post more or less, except that point.

I told you I must have missed it. It was an opinion, not a fact--just like the rest.

Originally Posted by eric_t12

we didn't have Osama cornered at Tora bora?

Who said that?

Frank

[eric_t12]

we didn't have Osama cornered at Tora bora?

He said all of his points were "facts", but none of them are.

Who said that?

BH did, noted here.

you debated it there as well, more or less.

so are you saying it isn't true?

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

BH did, noted here.

you debated it there as well, more or less.

so are you saying it isn't true?

I'm glad bountyhunter has an advocate since he runs from these discussions.

bountyhunter did not say that we had bin laden cornered at tora bora.

You just proved it yourself.

Frank

[eric_t12]

wow, i said tora bora, he said they were cornered and escaped.

and i'm not his 'advocate,' thanks. i just want to know why your only defensible position to that question was "incomplete sentence".

oh yea, you missed that one.

and your being judge's advocate while he runs from discussions isn't much better. sorry if i dont go look for his posts.

dont want to 'stalk him' or anything.

ETA: well maybe i'll ask this: it isn't a fact that osama had escaped us? because that's what he said.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

wow, i said tora bora, he said they were cornered and escaped.

and i'm not his 'advocate,' thanks. i just want to know why your only defensible position to that question was "incomplete sentence".

oh yea, you missed that one.

Because I am not sure what he meant when he said...

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

What fact allowed bin laden to escape and grow?

Furthermore, how has bin laden grown? What fact caused him to grow? Assuming bountyhunter was talking about tora bora, how did his escape help him grow, since we ousted the taliban, killing a crapload of his fighters, and took away the country that was his safe haven?

Frank

[eric_t12]

killing a crapload of his fighters, and took away the country that was his safe haven?

maybe you missed iraq...?

since they're all al qaeda (and other anti-coalition forces, but who mentions them? not that you could tell the difference) and all, i find it hard to agree with.

and with the reports saying he's 'likely in pakistan', i also find it hard to believe that afghanistan was his only 'safe haven'.

seems like old Pak is doing a bang-up job.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

maybe you missed iraq...?

since they're all al qaeda (and other anti-coalition forces, but who mentions them?) and all, i find it hard to agree with.

All the terrorists in Iraq are not al-qaeda. How did his escape from afghanistan cause aq to grow in Iraq?

I thought people like you and ron paul think that AQ grew in Iraq because we are over there. It should have nothing to do with bin laden escaping. Didn't we create more terrorists when we invaded iraq? aq growing is all because of bad us foreign policy and probably the federal reserve too.

I don't think there is compelling evidence that the aq network has grown its capabilities since the tora bora incident, but that's just my opinion. If they had really grown, I think we would see many more attacks in america. Plus we have killed hundreds and hundreds of aq fighters.

Originally Posted by eric_t12

and with the reports saying he's 'likely in pakistan', i also find it hard to believe that afghanistan was his only 'safe haven'.

Hiding in the mountains in pakistan in a cave is far from having the support and protection of the taliban government.

Originally Posted by eric_t12

seems like old Pak is doing a bang-up job.

Pakistan is doing a terrible job in helping us get bin laden.

Frank

[eric_t12]

Plus we have killed hundreds and hundreds of aq fighters.

really?

you and judge both claim this. but i would really like to know...

how can you tell? maybe i missed the class on "uniforms of al qaeda: differentiating from 'Other Anti-Coalition Forces."

and since al qaeda is a TERRORIST organization, and terrorists use mass bombings and fear-based suicide attacks, i find it difficult to belive that true al qaeda members regularly attack the us military.

blowing themselves up in the middle of a market? yea. openly confrontinga military element? not very terroristic. not to mention who are they going to 'put the fear into?'

Didn't we create more terrorists when we invaded iraq?

you think we didn't, i take it?

i believe we did. whether directly by maybe missing a few bombing sites, killing someone's family, etc...; or indirectly, by totally removing a (while brutal,) dictator who kept them out of control of his cities, and giving them opportunity to enter and use our OBVIOUS presence as a "hey look the crusades all over again" point of recruitment.

Hiding in the mountains in pakistan in a cave is far from having the support and protection of the taliban government.

agreed. but that still doesn't change the fact that the architect behind 9/11 remains at large, to spread his propaganda, and that a certain high-ranking official doesn't really care where he is... that's gotta make him feel better.

not to mention it really p1sses me off that the criminals who did it aren't a concern, but their 'friends' in iraq etc... are?

Pakistan is doing a terrible job in helping us get bin laden.

well i'm glad we agree on that. maybe more money will do the trick.