WMD's & Iraq = Democratic Hypocrisy

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Perhaps. However, that's quite a lot of statements for a situation that is stlll developing and changing. It is also, at this point in time, a tremendous job of Monday morning quarterbacking. What was your feeling, honestly, five years ago?

Still waiting BH......

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you to not be arrogant and condescending to somebody who has more knowledge in his hair follicles than you carry in total.

Typical bountyhunter personal attacks....if anyone disagrees with him they are automatically stupid and he is always smarter than them.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Still waiting BH......

I think he has you and I on ignore.

It is easier for him to do that than to try and answer everytime we question him on something.

Frank

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I think he has you and I on ignore.

It is easier for him to do that than to try and answer everytime we question him on something.

Frank

***shrug***

[KEVWYO]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

It is also, at this point in time, a tremendous job of Monday morning quarterbacking. What was your feeling, honestly, five years ago?

I'll be honest .... like many on here and across the country I had to rely on and believe Bush when he said that Saddam was going to be a big problem. After all, like the video that is the OP of this thread showed there were many a high ranking Dem that said essentially the same things that Bush said leading up to the invasion.

But my opinion started to change at that moment in time as well. That sign: Mission Accomplished threw me for a loop. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to know that the mission had a long way to go. I don't think many can claim to know that we as a country would be where we are now but surely the mission was certainly not accomplished at that point in time. Seriously, if it just came down to whacking Saddam and Son's Inc. to accomplish the mission of regime change then a Predator with some Hellfires has proven to be quite effective.

My opinion was changing when I saw all the looting and wondered why it was allowed to continue on such a scale. My opinion really started to change when the Bremmer's predecessor (the retired general ... sorry can't remember his name right now) was so quickley removed from his position before he even had a real chance to do some things. My feelings were that Bremmer was making a huge mistake in his de-Bathification and dissolving the army. It just doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that was going to come back and haunt us.

Yes, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do. The blatant and painfully obvious mistakes that were made by Bush and administration and the CPA is what makes it so easy to do. And while none could say in April 2003 that we would be where we are now that pretty much is irrelevant. What is relevant to look at and justifies the Monday morning quarterbacking is seeing the evidence of cooked intelligence and incompetence that got us here. It's that whole knowing history so you're not condemned to repeat it thing.

I think we can all agree that Colin Powell warned the President about the "Pottery Barn" rule and that certainly has proven to be true. We have a country that we are responsible for now.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

I'll be honest .... like many on here and across the country I had to rely on and believe Bush when he said that Saddam was going to be a big problem. After all, like the video that is the OP of this thread showed there were many a high ranking Dem that said essentially the same things that Bush said leading up to the invasion.

But my opinion started to change at that moment in time as well. That sign: Mission Accomplished threw me for a loop. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to know that the mission had a long way to go. I don't think many can claim to know that we as a country would be where we are now but surely the mission was certainly not accomplished at that point in time. Seriously, if it just came down to whacking Saddam and Son's Inc. to accomplish the mission of regime change then a Predator with some Hellfires has proven to be quite effective.

My opinion was changing when I saw all the looting and wondered why it was allowed to continue on such a scale. My opinion really started to change when the Bremmer's predecessor (the retired general ... sorry can't remember his name right now) was so quickley removed from his position before he even had a real chance to do some things. My feelings were that Bremmer was making a huge mistake in his de-Bathification and dissolving the army. It just doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that was going to come back and haunt us.

Yes, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do. The blatant and painfully obvious mistakes that were made by Bush and administration and the CPA is what makes it so easy to do. And while none could say in April 2003 that we would be where we are now that pretty much is irrelevant. What is relevant to look at and justifies the Monday morning quarterbacking is seeing the evidence of cooked intelligence and incompetence that got us here. It's that whole knowing history so you're not condemned to repeat it thing.

I think we can all agree that Colin Powell warned the President about the "Pottery Barn" rule and that certainly has proven to be true. We have a country that we are responsible for now.

Good post. I agree!!

What I find intriguing is how this video from Republican • National • Committee is anything but hypocritical. They Point out what the Democratic party members did, said, and do while ignoring the fact that the Republican party did, said, and does the same thing.
IMO, the GOP has been stomped by it's action and inaction to such a degree, that they will attempt anything to make themselves look better, and the Democratic party is doing likewise.
Those who are in positions to effect positive change would rather mask errors in judgement and cast suspicion upon others. They are pathetic to say the least.

Why did they develop this video ???
Is it to make the Democrats look bad, or is it to level the playing field and have others realize that all of them are guilty of going along with the knee-jerk reactionary vision that took us out of our Afghanistan priority mode, and placed us smack dab in the middle of a Mission Accomplished cluster Fawk of a quagmire we call Iraq ??

Yea, Colin Powell sure got it right. "You broke it, you bought it!"
It sure is a shame that we must borrow money to pay for all the $hit we have broke under this administration.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

I'll be honest .... like many on here and across the country I had to rely on and believe Bush when he said that Saddam was going to be a big problem. After all, like the video that is the OP of this thread showed there were many a high ranking Dem that said essentially the same things that Bush said leading up to the invasion.

But my opinion started to change at that moment in time as well. That sign: Mission Accomplished threw me for a loop. It didn't take a rocket surgeon to know that the mission had a long way to go. I don't think many can claim to know that we as a country would be where we are now but surely the mission was certainly not accomplished at that point in time. Seriously, if it just came down to whacking Saddam and Son's Inc. to accomplish the mission of regime change then a Predator with some Hellfires has proven to be quite effective.

My opinion was changing when I saw all the looting and wondered why it was allowed to continue on such a scale. My opinion really started to change when the Bremmer's predecessor (the retired general ... sorry can't remember his name right now) was so quickley removed from his position before he even had a real chance to do some things. My feelings were that Bremmer was making a huge mistake in his de-Bathification and dissolving the army. It just doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that was going to come back and haunt us.

Yes, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do. The blatant and painfully obvious mistakes that were made by Bush and administration and the CPA is what makes it so easy to do. And while none could say in April 2003 that we would be where we are now that pretty much is irrelevant. What is relevant to look at and justifies the Monday morning quarterbacking is seeing the evidence of cooked intelligence and incompetence that got us here. It's that whole knowing history so you're not condemned to repeat it thing.

I think we can all agree that Colin Powell warned the President about the "Pottery Barn" rule and that certainly has proven to be true. We have a country that we are responsible for now.

I also fall/fell in to the category of those that believed what was presented as initial justification for these actions. The Mission Accomplished deal with the bulging flight suit did not make sense to me either at that point in time.

The only point I was trying to make to the person I was responding to is that it is very easy now to dissect these actions. At the time, not so much.

I apparently won't be getting a response from the member this post was directed to and I'm fine with that. It is no surprise to me.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Well...at least you are consistent. You've never let any facts get in the way of a good opinion!

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you the same thing. get over:

1) The fact that the Iraq war was a mistake.

A fact, eh??? Interesting...sounds like an opinion to me.

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

2) The fact there were no WMD

Sorry, that's wrong. Try asking the Kurds if Iraq didn't have WMD. As far as recent, over 500 shells containing WMD have been found so far...
Munitions Found in Iraq Renew Debate

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

3) The fact Bush stampeded into a war we never needed to wage

Sounds like another opinion to me.

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

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Originally Posted by bountyhunter

6) That allowed Afghanistan to grow into the terror haven it is today.

LOL! You think that Afghanistan has recently grown into a terror haven? Give me a break...have you forgotten that it was completely controlled by terrorists BEFORE we invaded? Remember the Taliban? Remember how they gave safe haven to AQ and bin laden? Remember how many of the 9/11 planners/hijackers were trained in Afghanistan???
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I don't expect a reply, but your definition of "fact" is ridiculous. You write that you are going to give us some facts and then you write a bunch of opinions.

Frank

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you the same thing. get over:

1) The fact that the Iraq war was a mistake.

2) The fact there were no WMD

3) The fact Bush stampeded into a war we never needed to wage

4) The fact it took away the forces who were fighting the real WOT (in Afghanistan)

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

6) That allowed Afghanistan to grow into the terror haven it is today.

You have a LOT to get over, but the truth is what it is and here is the truth:

Bush is CIC and he is responsible for the decisions he made, and the Iraq war will go down in history as the worst decision ever made by a US president.

period.

Say what you will, none of this was pertinent (let alone known) when the vote was taken to invade Iraq. The Iraq war was voted on in the House and Senate and passed.

Your 20/20 hindsight does no good in the here and now. Where was your impeccable foresight 5 years ago?

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Perhaps. However, that's quite a lot of statements for a situation that is stlll developing and changing. It is also, at this point in time, a tremendous job of Monday morning quarterbacking. What was your feeling, honestly, five years ago?

Originally Posted by gsh341

Say what you will, none of this was pertinent (let alone known) when the vote was taken to invade Iraq. The Iraq war was voted on in the House and Senate and passed.

Your 20/20 hindsight does no good in the here and now. Where was your impeccable foresight 5 years ago?

I tried asking that question earlier in this thread GSH and just got skipped over. I would not hold my breath waiting for a response from this poster.