WMD's & Iraq = Democratic Hypocrisy

[Frenchy]

As I've stated before Frank, you don't have the definitive answer, and neither do I. We believe what we believe.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by gsh341

Get over it.

Bush and the rest of the government all had the SAME intel.

I might advise you the same thing. get over:

1) The fact that the Iraq war was a mistake.

2) The fact there were no WMD

3) The fact Bush stampeded into a war we never needed to wage

4) The fact it took away the forces who were fighting the real WOT (in Afghanistan)

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

6) That allowed Afghanistan to grow into the terror haven it is today.

You have a LOT to get over, but the truth is what it is and here is the truth:

Bush is CIC and he is responsible for the decisions he made, and the Iraq war will go down in history as the worst decision ever made by a US president.

period.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you the same thing. get over:

1) The fact that the Iraq war was a mistake.

2) The fact there were no WMD

3) The fact Bush stampeded into a war we never needed to wage

4) The fact it took away the forces who were fighting the real WOT (in Afghanistan)

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

6) That allowed Afghanistan to grow into the terror haven it is today.

You have a LOT to get over, but the truth is what it is and here is the truth:

Bush is CIC and he is responsible for the decisions he made, and the Iraq war will go down in history as the worst decision ever made by a US president.

period.

Perhaps. However, that's quite a lot of statements for a situation that is stlll developing and changing. It is also, at this point in time, a tremendous job of Monday morning quarterbacking. What was your feeling, honestly, five years ago?

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by gsh341

The US had already been attacked.

By Al Qaeda, and at the time Bush invaded Iraq, we had that group cornered at Tora Bora.

DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND THIS?

We were actively trying to eradicate the group responsible for 9-11 when Bush pulled out the main force to go start a war in Iraq. It abolutely astonishes me that you can't understand what a horrendous blunder that was and how it proved (what Bush later said) he didn't really care about getting Bin laden.

Originally Posted by gsh341

There was intelligence presented that linked Saddam to Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda to the Taliban. The intelligence was deemed accurate by both Houses as well as the President.

That intel was bogus and it was only used to prop up the case for war. Even so, what the hell does the taliban have to do with Al Qaeda? They are not the same, their goals are not the same, they are allied in one main cause: driving US forces from the region. We knew who had carried out the 9-11 attacks, we knew where they were... and Bush packed up the show and left them there to get on their camels and ride into Pakistan where they thumbed their nose at us for the last eight years.

How can you defend letting the murderers of 3000 Americans walk?

Bush is a moron, and history will judge him for his blunders.

[XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you the same thing. get over:

1) The fact that the Iraq war was a mistake.

2) The fact there were no WMD

3) The fact Bush stampeded into a war we never needed to wage

4) The fact it took away the forces who were fighting the real WOT (in Afghanistan)

5) The fact that allowed Bin laden and company to escape and grow

6) That allowed Afghanistan to grow into the terror haven it is today.

You have a LOT to get over, but the truth is what it is and here is the truth:

Bush is CIC and he is responsible for the decisions he made, and the Iraq war will go down in history as the worst decision ever made by a US president.

period.

I might advise you to quit watching so many michael moore movies and try some news other than ABC. did you even watch the video? incase you neglected it (because by the sound of your response I can only conclude you did, or just dismissed it completly) there is a laundry list of people that aren't your whipping boy (Bush) talking about WMD's and the need to eleminate the threat that is Saddam Hussein. The fact is war or no war you would blame Bush for what ever he did. If he hadn't gone to war and there were another attack then he'd be the idot who didn't go after Saddam with all the intel he had to go after him for WMD's and financial ties to known terrorists.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by gsh341

And it's not just the Marines that are getting killed. There are dead from all the branches and the largest death toll is in the Army. WHY? Because the Army has the most troops in country and always has. And when I say all branches, that means Reserves and National Guard.

I'm well aware there are reservists in country, I know some of them. But, if you check casualties BY PERCENTAGE OF FORCE, the Marines are dying at a higher rate than any other service (check it and see).

Originally Posted by gsh341

The problem is that now people call it "Bush's War" like he was the only one that had any responsibility for starting it.

The only problem is you and everyone who sings the same tune is twisting over backwards to excuse the CIC's responsibility for this catastrophic blunder.

We were in no imminent danger and there was no need to stampede to war. There was no need to pull out of Tora Bora, we could have and should have finished the job. Bin laden's bones would be bleaching in the sun by now.

You will never admit the truth, but I know you realize it: the CIC is in charge, Bush was the one who would NOT listen to anything that contradicted his predetermined decision to kill Hussein, and he bears the responsibility for choosing to stop the real WOT in Afghanistan and start a useless war in Iraq. Spin it any way you want, you can't make that go away.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact

The fact is war or no war you would blame Bush for what ever he did. If he hadn't gone to war and there were another attack then he'd be the idot who didn't go after Saddam with all the intel he had to go after him for WMD's and financial ties to known terrorists.

That's a flat lie. I hold Bush responsible for what he chose to do. period. I don't buy the finger pointing crap of "but that guy said it too"... and I don't excuse him for pulling out of Afghanistan. That was the worst mistake in US foreign policy in history. Not only did that let Bin laden skate, it allowed the taliban to build a strong hold there which is the true haven for terror that Iraq NEVER WAS.

I don't give a crap about the latest GOP talking points, the truth is what it is and it is what I printed.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact

I might advise you to quit watching so many michael moore movies and try some news other than ABC.

I might advise you to not be arrogant and condescending to somebody who has more knowledge in his hair follicles than you carry in total. And I might advise you to try something more original than the standard "Oh, no! It's the evil liberal media!" retort to posted facts. That just looks pathetic.

I have a novel idea, why don't you actually address the topics I raised. I'll heklp you by listing them:

1) was Bin laden and Al Qaeda at Tora Bora being engaged by US forces?

YES
NO

2) When we pulled out, did Bin laden then escape to pakistan?

YES
NO

3) Did he continue to grow his network and thumb his nose at us?

YES
NO

4) Did the killer of 3000 Americans on 9-11 escape justice?

YES
NO

5) Did deposing Hussein's secular regime then allow fundamenatlists like AQ to set up in Iraq and use our soldiers as walking targets?
YES
NO

6) Has the US military presence in Iraq caused a shift of support for anti-American bias among the indiginous populations of the region (thereby increasing AQ's ranks)?
YES
NO

[XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

That's a flat lie. I hold Bush responsible for what he chose to do. period. I don't buy the finger pointing crap of "but that guy said it too"... and I don't excuse him for pulling out of Afghanistan. That was the worst mistake in US foreign policy in history. Not only did that let Bin laden skate, it allowed the taliban to build a strong hold there which is the true haven for terror that Iraq NEVER WAS.

I don't give a crap about the latest GOP talking points, the truth is what it is and it is what I printed.

It's not finger pointing. There are incase you forgot 3 branches to our government. The president can't just throw a fight somewhere without approval from the others.

[XD 9 Loaded Sub-Compact]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

I might advise you to not be arrogant and condescending to somebody who has more knowledge in his hair follicles than you carry in total. And I might advise you to try something more original than the standard "Oh, no! It's the evil liberal media!" retort to posted facts. That just looks pathetic.

I have a novel idea, why don't you actually address the topics I raised. I'll heklp you by listing them:

1) was Bin laden and Al Qaeda at Tora Bora being engaged by US forces?

YES
NO

2) When we pulled out, did Bin laden then escape to pakistan?

YES
NO

3) Did he continue to grow his network and thumb his nose at us?

YES
NO

4) Did the killer of 3000 Americans on 9-11 escape justice?

YES
NO

5) Did deposing Hussein's secular regime then allow fundamenatlists like AQ to set up in Iraq and use our soldiers as walking targets?
YES
NO

6) Has the US military presence in Iraq caused a shift of support for anti-American bias among the indiginous populations of the region (thereby increasing AQ's ranks)?
YES
NO

Well John Madden you must have some mighty big hair follices. I'm glad you can predict the future, maybe you should run for president so we don't have to worry about ever getting things wrong.