WMD's & Iraq = Democratic Hypocrisy

[Frenchy]

With all due respect, my friend...CRAP!!

But, if that is what get's you through the day......

[KEVWYO]

Originally Posted by gsh341

Bush and the rest of the government all had the SAME intel. That intel was as accurate as could be had (SEVERAL countries had the same intel and had reached the same conclusions as our government).

For me this is the very crux of the issue. They all had the same intel. The common denominator on the intel is the quality and credibility of the intel that reached the President's desk. When bureaucrat's decide they need to set up their own intelligence office to pour over professional intelligence with the goal to connect dots that the professsional intelligence agencies couldn't and you have a Vice President who is very suspicious of the intelligence agencies .... well the credibility of that intelligence is very quickly diluted. Unfortunately, good people looked the other way or had no idea what was going on, good people were hung out to dry, and some self serving sons a bitches won the day.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

For me this is the very crux of the issue. They all had the same intel. The common denominator on the intel is the quality and credibility of the intel that reached the President's desk. When bureaucrat's decide they need to set up their own intelligence office to pour over professional intelligence with the goal to connect dots that the professional intelligence agencies couldn't and you have a Vice President who is very suspicious of the intelligence agencies .... well the credibility of that intelligence is very quickly diluted. Unfortunately, good people looked the other way or had no idea what was going on, good people were hung out to dry, and some self serving sons a bitches won the day.

The US and its allies share intel on items of common interest. However, everyone tries to validate that intel as much as possible with respect to the time frame of events the intel is about. If the intel that everyone has is the same, or close enough that small discrepancies are deemed unimportant, you will likely have a consensus on what action should be taken.

The US shared what it could with Great Britain. I'm sure Great Britain didn't take this intel at face value and had their own agencies check it out. And after their intel was compared to ours they decided to join us and several other nations in a coalition against Saddam and Iraq.

Is it possible that Saddam was so good at deception that he fooled the most powerful nations on earth about his capabilities and his ego would not let him back down from them?

Of course it is.

Now if anyone decides that they feel better about themselves because they can just blame Bush and Cheney or the Republicans for the war, go right ahead. This video, however, proves that is a mistaken assumption.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

With all due respect, my friend...CRAP!!

But, if that is what get's you through the day......

Show me one thing in what I posted that you can prove is, as you say, crap.

[Frenchy]

This nation was never under any threat of imminent attack from Iraq...Period.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

This nation was never under any threat of imminent attack from Iraq...Period.

Was this nation ever under imminent threat of attack from Italy during WW 2?

No. They were an ally of Germany though and as such were open to attack since Germany did attack our ships.

Since Saddam was believed to be supporting Al-Qaeda by providing funds, materials and safe haven, they were seen as being complicit in the attacks. Since Saddam did not comply with UN demands for open inspections for WMDs it was believed that he would provide Al-Qaeda with WMDs for attacks against the US or our allies.

[Frenchy]

Well then North Korea and Iran will be next on our agenda....And Pakistan...and Syria.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Well then North Korea and Iran will be next on our agenda....And Pakistan...and Syria.

I think there is VERY little chance of another war being started unless there is another direct attack against the US. We have a President with less than a year left in office with the Senate and the House controlled by the opposing party.

But if the governments of North Korea or Iran decides to directly attack us or our allies, there would be very little choice in the matter.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by gsh341

Was this nation ever under imminent threat of attack from Italy during WW 2?

No. They were an ally of Germany though and as such were open to attack since Germany did attack our ships.

Since Saddam was believed to be supporting Al-Qaeda by providing funds, materials and safe haven, they were seen as being complicit in the attacks. Since Saddam did not comply with UN demands for open inspections for WMDs it was believed that he would provide Al-Qaeda with WMDs for attacks against the US or our allies.

Why wasn't Hans Blix allowed the additional three months to complete his inspections?

This game was rigged against Saddam from the start. The UN inspections were a pretense. All along, since 1991 at least, the goal has been to remove Saddam from power.

Cheney and Rumsfeld used 9/11 to go after Saddam, and they used whatever flimsy bits of evidence they could find to make that case.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by gsh341

Get over it.

Bush and the rest of the government all had the SAME intel. That intel was as accurate as could be had (SEVERAL countries had the same intel and had reached the same conclusions as our government) and a very large majority in Congress and the Senate voted for the war. The actual tally was: Congress 296 to 133 for and in the Senate 77 to 23 for. Only after the war was started was there any real evidence that started the idea that the intel was not as accurate as EVERYONE believed.

And it's not just the Marines that are getting killed. There are dead from all the branches and the largest death toll is in the Army. WHY? Because the Army has the most troops in country and always has. And when I say all branches, that means Reserves and National Guard.

The problem is that now people call it "Bush's War" like he was the only one that had any responsibility for starting it.

That video shows that idea is completely false.

Good post. I've tried arguing these points before, but they just don't sink in with some people.

I've even been told that I was wrong when making the claim that many intelligence agencies (foreign and domestic) believed Iraq had WMD. I've always received the response that Bush and Cheney personally manipulated the intelligence and "tricked" everyone

Frank