Smoking out McCain

[Etta Place]

Believe me, if I were Obama or Hillary, I would be repeating that 100 years line of McCain's over and over and over. And, I would be showing that weird picture of him hugging Bush over and over and over. Get used to it!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Bottom line.

I would vote for Adolph Hitler before I would vote for Obama.

What are the other choices, again?

I'm voting for Ron Paul. You can too. I believe he will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Here is exactly what he said:

Thank you for posting that and proving your statement was inaccurate.

You stated

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I guess if you want war for 100 years and want to have a third Bush term, then McCain is your man.

Now show me again where McCain said that he wanted "war for 100 years?"

Could it be a gross exaggeration to paint him in a different light? Too funny. The guy is so open to criticism on so many fronts and yet you have to make up crap to attack him.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

This is imperial presence. We're like the British Empire! Like them, we will fall.

Uh, another gross exaggeration. How much money have we made by taxing the Japanese after WWII? Or Germany? Wow, the wealth and territory from both has just been pure gravy for us Americans.

If you want arguments with more merit, then I recommend that you cut & paste your opinions from Ron Paul. I don't agree with him with respect to foreign policy, but I certainly see the merit to his assertions.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

It's not a news article; it's an opinion piece. The guy has written a book about McCain. The author is a writer for Reason magazine, which is libertarian. They also have a website. On it, they advertise Welch's book, "The Myth of the Maverick".

Amazon.com: McCain: The Myth of a Maverick: Matt Welch: Books

I guess if you want war for 100 years and want to have a third Bush term, then McCain is your man.

Reason Magazine

Wrong, he said it'd be 100 if necessary. He didn't say he'd make it 100 years no matter what. You skew and twist words as much as the libs do. You take things out of context and make them say what you want.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

More than 60% of the country opposes this war and wants the U.S. out no matter what. They don't want to leave abruptly, but they want out. I published a Gallup poll about this yesterday. But they aren't the only poll that says that.

Why Congress and Bush have such low approval ratings and 81% of the people think the country is on the wrong track is because Congress and Bush are NOT DOING WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT! They are ignoring the will of the people, and people like Cheney, when told the people want out, says, "So what?"

Maybe you're one of the Republicans who wants the war to continue. After all, most Republicans do. I guess that's why they've become the warmonger party and why Ron Paul decided to run for president because he sees the Republican Party differently - non-intrusive into the private lives of its citizens, non-interventionist in foreign policy, fiscally conservative. All things the Republican Party, including John McCain, has disavowed.

The warmonger party? No it's called doing what's right and finishing the job. It's called not being a pussy and tucking tail and running as soon as things get tough. No one anticipated Iran would be equipping, funding, and training our opposition. I'd rather be in the warmonger party than in the party with a bunch of hypocritical socialist arrogant leftist elitists. You want someone to tell you what's best for you, vote Democrat.

You know what, what's most important to the average citizen Joe Baggadonuts is not always what's most important to the security and sanctity of this country. Being a leader means making tough decisions, unpopular decisions, and then standing by them. It's called having guts to do the right thing and do it the whole way. No bending over because it's a tough job. That's the problem with this country, people feel it's their God given right that they live a life of comfort and that struggle is a bad thing. Struggles and challenges are what make people overcome. The strong overcome and become stronger and the weak succumb. I see which side you support.

You're picking numbers from a poll that's convenient to your view. Everyone was pro war and united against terror on 9/12/2001. The job is tougher than anticipated and unforeseen obstacles have been discovered. Now that it's tough and the Democrats are crying us a river over anything and everything, people want out. Look at Nancy Pelosi interrupt and not want to hear Petraeus answer her questions...why, because he had good answers and comments that were appropriate and not what she wanted to hear. You have people in Congress and Democrats in general who have no military experience whatsoever trying to make military decisions. Petraeus wrote the book on counterinsurgency...don't you think he knows what he's doing and what he's talking about?

What direction is this country headed in that people disagree with? Everything in my eyes says we're getting closer and closer to leftist socialism...I guess the people don't want that. More and more people are crying out for troop reductions and ending the war, surrendering, handing the victory to our enemies who want to destroy you and me...that seems to be the direction we're heading and according to your polls, people don't want that. Yeah, I'm joking about that and twisting it, sue me.

I want to know specifically what people feel is the right direction for this country? What do the expert citizens who apparently know more than congress and our president know about leading a country and what direction to take it? Why don't these people run for a political position?

I am a conservative, my only viable option for a candidate who stands a chance to win is McCain. I am all for conservative values. I disagree with Ron Paul's view and his theory that isolationism is the answer...it doesn't work. Did it work when the Japanese bombed us in WW2 while we were isolating ourselves from that conflict? Did it work all of the 90s while we were ignoring global terror even after every incident against US embassies, USS Cole, first WTC attack, etc etc etc....isolationism doesn't work. Especially when you are the one of the strongest and most elite countries in the world.

Ask our soldiers if they think we're losing the war. Ask them if they want to surrender and give up? As them if they want to come home defeated?

Perhaps you should listen to this speech:

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This speech means something to me. It should mean something to you. Watch it again. Listen to it.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

He is smoking McCain out because everyone knows Hillary is a Washington insider, but McCain has this reputation as a maverick and someone who fights the status quo, when he is not.

I'm sure the Keating scandal will surface during this campaign, even though McCain was not found to have broken any laws. Nevertheless, the guy is very cozy with lobbyists, several of whom work on his campaign staff, and does favors for people - just like everybody else in Washington.

The only way to stop this business as usual in Washington is to reduce the size of government (something Ron Paul repeatedly stated) - something McCain is highly unlikely to do. Is he going to reduce taxes and continue borrowing the country into bankruptcy? How does he intend to pay for the tax cuts? How did Bush pay for the tax cuts? There were no cuts in government spending. In fact, the opposite occurred.

You people can call Hillary and Obama socialists, but what do you call Republicans who run as the party of reduced government and govern like drunken sailors?

Drunken sailors? That's a new one. Please elaborate. I haven't seen any government socialized healthcare across the board...I haven't seen tax increases, I haven't seen isolationism, I haven't seen more gun control, I haven't seen extended benefits for welfare...

Are there things we can complain about, like the Medicare Part D plan? Absolutely. But with Obama and Hillary, they're a guarantee. We already know how you feel about having a woman in office because it's time to have someone other than a white male, you said it yourself. I'm finding you to be more and more troll like with your continued attempts to stir the pot. You know most people on this site have conservative views, but you continue to post this garbage nonsense where most of the claims and allegations are not backed up with evidence, statistics, or even citations. I don't care it's on opinion piece, if it's running in a the MSM, responsible journalism should apply...the MSM simply is not held accountable for publishing content that is true, complete, and backed up with factual information. They feed on people like you who simply find stats and info to meet your agenda. It's just like the "science" behind global warming...these people already know what the answer they're looking for is and skew accordingly the tests and data to prove what they want the answer to be. They don't go in without bias towards the results. You're doing the same.

Most have also said that McCain is not their favorite choice, but he's the best of the three that actually have a chance. You can vote for Ron Paul, but he's not going to win. He's not campaigning, he knows it. Everyone knows he isn't going to win but you and handful of others. Would I prefer him over McCain...maybe, but I'm not going to cast a vote that gives a better chance to either Obama or Hillary to win.

[Brickboy240]

Hmmm...lets see...

the choice is McCain or socialism...


...socialism or McCain...hmmm....


Well, I'll take McCain and keep my eye on him. The other two are just disasters waiting to happen, if you ask me. Hillary/Obama might get us out of Iraq but their economic plans could prove more catastrophic than staying in Iraq.

- Brickboy240

[jtkratzer]

If I'm McCain, I'm going to hammer on every single issue where Hillary has been dishonest, fired for attempting to violate the Constitution during Watergate, and I'm going to call for her to open the Clinton files showing how she collected credit reports and FBI files on anyone who opposed her when she was the First Lady as information to use for blackmail. I'm going to challenge Hillary's inability to create a promised 250,000 jobs in NY and how she intends to deliver on the promise of 5,000,000 nationwide jobs.

If I'm McCain and running against Obama, I'm going to be hammering him for refusing to take a stand on just about every issue in the senate to "preserve his political reputation." How can this man lead a country and stand by the decisions that affect every human being on this planet when he doesn't have the balls to vote on a hot topic in the Senate because he's afraid of the political repercussions? I'm going to challenge Obama to really come forward about big oil and the penalties he wants to impose when it's the government who is getting more revenue from every gallon of gas than the oil companies.

I'm going to challenge them both on why they want to increase spending and more government control and intervention in the lives of the American people when most want independence, freedom, and individuality.

If I'm McCain, I'm going to hammer the other two directly by asking how did they get to the positions they're in? Hillary is a junior senator from NY, Obama a junior senator from IL....Hillary was a former first lady with nothing really convincing on her resume as to why she would be a good president and the same applies to Obama...we're focused on identity politics...so, let's pick a black man and a white woman and see what we can screw up here. You have these democrats eating each other alive and tearing each other apart piece by piece....the party is coming apart and I'm loving it. I hope McCain is just a hold over for 4 years so the Republican party can get itself setup for 2012 with a good, solid, conservative candidate.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Hmmm...lets see...

the choice is McCain or socialism...


...socialism or McCain...hmmm....


Well, I'll take McCain and keep my eye on him. The other two are just disasters waiting to happen, if you ask me. Hillary/Obama might get us out of Iraq but their economic plans could prove more catastrophic than staying in Iraq.

- Brickboy240

Is there really any doubt at all?

[Brickboy240]

I think McCain might realize that either one of the Dem candidates will be easy to defeat on their voting records and their platforms alone. No need to bring up Bill, Rev. Wright or any other unpleasantries...why? Their views and voting records are bad enough that theres no need for deep mudslinging. I mean, really...what HAS Hillary or Obama REALLY done during their political careers?

I hope McCain realizes how easy he really has it.

- Brickboy240

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by jtkratzer

I love how a select few on this site buy into the left wing liberal papers like the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune, the NY Times and take what's in those articles as truth and post them on this site. No research, no background work to find out if this stuff is actually true.

Amen. That's why I stick to unboased news sources like FOX. Rupert won't stand for anybody in his organization putting spin on the content. All the facts all the time..... that's FOX. You just can't trust anybody else in the media. If your smart, you will have the remote control on your TV modified to disable all the "commie" news channels so your mind won't accidentally be tainted as you are scanning by them to get to the FOX channel.

And on the subject of:

No research, no background work to find out if this stuff is actually true.

FOX still hasn't taken down this little gem they put up way back when despite the fact it was a total hoax that they bit on:

FOXNews.com - Weapons-Grade Plutonium Possibly Found at Iraqi Nuke Complex - U.S. &amp; World

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. Marines may have found weapons-grade plutonium in a massive underground facility discovered beneath Iraq's Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex, Fox News confirmed Friday.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

I think McCain might realize that either one of the Dem candidates will be easy to defeat on their voting records and their platforms alone. No need to bring up Bill, Rev. Wright or any other unpleasantries...why? Their views and voting records are bad enough that theres no need for deep mudslinging. I mean, really...what HAS Hillary or Obama REALLY done during their political careers?

I hope McCain realizes how easy he really has it.

- Brickboy240

If the masses of people who are rallying behind Clinton and Obama don't get it, why would McCain rely on that to convince voters he's the better candidate?