Peanut Prez Strikes Again....

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

now, terrorists (including hamas) which haven't attacked us, haven't killed our civillians

Terrorists (including hamas) haven't attacked us and they haven't killed our civilians

Wow...

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

They WOULDN'T be attacking us if we weren't "over there." That's true.

How do you know that?

Frank

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Judge

And for the zillionth time, you would again be wrong...

It was part of the deal carter had offered, but the Iranian's decided to accept when Reagan was elected, b/c they knew planning for a second attempt or invasion had begun under Reagan's direction.

Is the BBC News wrong?

1981: Tehran frees US hostages after 444 days

VIDEO : Nightmare ordeal finally ends for US hostages

The 52 American hostages held at the US embassy in Tehran for more than 14 months have arrived in West Germany on their way home to the United States.

The former diplomats and embassy staff stepped from the plane onto the tarmac at Wiesbaden airport looking tired but elated after their 4,000-mile (6,437km) flight from Iran.

Some waved to the crowd of well-wishers who had gathered, others gave the V-for-victory sign.

Iran finally agreed to release the hostages after the US said it would release assets frozen in American and other banks, including the Bank of England, since the embassy was seized.

Presidential presence


Former president Jimmy Carter, appointed as President Ronald Reagan's special envoy, has flown in to welcome home the embassy staff he had hoped would be freed while he was still in charge at the White House.

Stories of the "abominable treatment" the men and women suffered at the hands of their Iranian captors are beginning to emerge.

Letters from home were burned in front of the hostages, there were regular beatings and some talked of games of Russian roulette.

The Americans were flown via Algiers to Wiesbaden, where they will now be cared for at a military hospital while their conditions are assessed.

The US government has tried to dissuade families from flying out to Germany for reunions with their loved ones until they have been confirmed fit.

Reporters were able to shout a few questions to hostages who appeared briefly on the hospital balcony. One man said they had had no idea they were about to be released.

Captive in US embassy

The hostage ordeal began in November 1979 when a group of radical Iranian students stormed the American embassy in Tehran. Everyone inside was taken captive.

The students were angered by American support for the Shah, who fled into exile in January 1979 and arrived in the United States in October for cancer treatment. They demanded the Shah's return to stand trial for alleged crimes in office.

They had the backing of the Iranian government, led by Ayatollah Khomeini. But their demands for the Shah's extradition were foiled when he fled to Cairo.

The students still refused to release their hostages, however, until President Carter was defeated in the US elections. This paved the way for fresh negotiations with the Algerians acting as intermediaries.

In Context
President Carter ordered sanctions and the freezing of Iranian assets in the US in an attempt to force Tehran to release the hostages.

The Iranian Government did not give in so he ordered a rescue attempt.

But the effort, in April 1980, had to be aborted after a sandstorm damaged some of the helicopters and a troop carrier to be used in the evacuation.

Eight American servicemen lost their lives. In the end, the Iranian captors were forced to give way when the Shah died in exile in Egypt - and Iraq invaded Iran.

With Ronald Reagan now in charge at the White House, the US agreed to unfreeze Iranian assets in return for the release of the hostages.

The release of the prisoners was delayed until the day of Ronald Reagan's inauguration as president - in a final snub to President Carter.

Three of the four British hostages were released a month later following the intervention of the Archbishop of Canterbury's special envoy, Terry Waite.

The fourth, Andrew Pyke, was released in February 1982 after being held in an Iranian jail without trial for 17 months.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 21 | 1981: Tehran frees US hostages after 444 days

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

How do you know that?

Frank

It just makes sense. If the U.S. did not have a presence in the Middle East and was not seen as being Israel's favorite uncle, we would not be having problems with terrorists - IN MY OPINION.

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

It just makes sense. If the U.S. did not have a presence in the Middle East and was not seen as being Israel's favorite uncle, we would not be having problems with terrorists - IN MY OPINION.

Well... ummm.... okay. But then how about all these other attacks, all over the world (that would be not in the US or Israel):
RoP
Note left column entries and further links toward the bottom of the page (be patient, these links take a long time to load... the number of Islamic terrorist attacks are large):

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

Also note:

• More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)
• Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.(source)
• More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
• 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)

ETA: Go through those pages of attacks by year. Note the countries of occurrence.

[Judge]

There is no contradiction.. .there's nothing in the article you posted that says reagan did it. B/c it was part of the terms carter agreed to... but the funds weren't released until the prisoners were set free - so it occurred while reagan was president, but he didn't negotiate it The house and Senate investigated, both agreed there was no involvement by Reagan in the deal.

Iran knew he would come after them and they folded.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Is the BBC News wrong?



BBC ON THIS DAY | 21 | 1981: Tehran frees US hostages after 444 days

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by jmichna

Well... ummm.... okay. But then how about all these other attacks, all over the world (that would be not in the US or Israel):
RoP
Note left column entries and further links toward the bottom of the page (be patient, these links take a long time to load... the number of Islamic terrorist attacks are large):

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

Also note:

• More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)
• Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.(source)
• More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
• 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)

ETA: Go through those pages of attacks by year. Note the countries of occurrence.

What are you doing? You can't just let the facts get in the way like that.

For Etta to believe that Islamofacism would not be attacking US or other countries if were weren't in the middle east is very shortsighted.

Some people just can't understand that these forces want to kill us. They have stated this repeatedly.

Frank

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by jmichna

Well... ummm.... okay. But then how about all these other attacks, all over the world (that would be not in the US or Israel):
RoP
Note left column entries and further links toward the bottom of the page (be patient, these links take a long time to load... the number of Islamic terrorist attacks are large):

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

Also note:

• More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)
• Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.(source)
• More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)
• 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)

ETA: Go through those pages of attacks by year. Note the countries of occurrence.

To me, it appears that most of those attacks are in war zones and/or are struggles for power in those countries.

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

To me, it appears that most of those attacks are in war zones and/or are struggles for power in those countries.

So, this excuses the attacks? War zones in Israel or the US? Actually, most (way more than half) are not war zones. Struggles for power exist every where. I haven't seen the Democrat and Republican terrorists using IEDs or suicide bombers yet. And, what sort of struggles for power? Who is trying to gain?

You said:
"They WOULDN'T be attacking us if we weren't "over there." That's true."

So, did all these other cities, in all these other countries, also attack them? Occupy them?

Did you even bother to look at the records of attacks... thousands of attacks, almost every day of the year, each year, somewhere in the world, tens of thousands of casualties. Where are the Buddhist attacks? The Mormon attacks? The Lutheran attacks? The Shintoist attacks? The Hindu attacks? The Catholic attacks? These are all victims... they and many, many others. What is the common denominator in all these attacks? You just refuse to see, and insist on blaming your own culture. You act as a tool.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by jmichna

So, this excuses the attacks? War zones in Israel or the US? Actually, most (way more than half) are not war zones. Struggles for power exist every where. I haven't seen the Democrat and Republican terrorists using IEDs or suicide bombers yet. And, what sort of struggles for power? Who is trying to gain?

You said:
"They WOULDN'T be attacking us if we weren't "over there." That's true."

So, did all these other cities, in all these other countries, also attack them? Occupy them?

Did you even bother to look at the records of attacks... thousands of attacks, almost every day of the year, each year, somewhere in the world, tens of thousands of casualties. Where are the Buddhist attacks? The Mormon attacks? The Lutheran attacks? The Shintoist attacks? The Hindu attacks? The Catholic attacks? These are all victims... they and many, many others. What is the common denominator in all these attacks? You just refuse to see, and insist on blaming your own culture. You act as a tool.

WOW....big +1 to that.

I'd like to add something but I think you said it all.

Frank