Peanut Prez Strikes Again....

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

My opinion and contention is that we could pull out our presence from the entire ME tomorrow and this would be seen as only a sign of weakness on our part and would encourage more attacks on our interests and eventually again on our shores.

However we got to today in our world I don't think we are in any position to go back and reason with those that are raised from birth and encouraged by their countries/religious leaders to hate us. The leaders of these countries remain in power by preaching and encouraging (IMO) hatred of all things "Western".

Do we need to retain a full fighting force there such as we have today? Debatable and above my pay grade. Do we need to maintain a deterrent, monitoring presence? IMO, absolutely.

But the demonization of the U.S. and the West is often for internal consumption. They're looking for a scapegoat for their internal problems, when actually there is a lot of corruption in these governments and a lot of inequality in these countries. Plus, that region has a lot of religious conflict, so they're often unstable.

Also, the Arab nations do not like Israel - duh! And they blame us for appearing to approve of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. I realize the Palestinians have been outrageous as well, but we should insist on a fair two-state solution there and be real "honest brokers" between these two parties. That would help a lot in improving the reputation of the U.S., not just in the Middle East, but all over the world!

People thought the Iranians perceived Jimmy Carter as weak and that's why they took the hostages. But they were pissed off because Carter treated the Shah as our buddy. And, of course, our history of backing the repressive regime of the Shah was the reason the Iranians hated the U.S.

No, we can't let people think they can walk all over us. And, some people would not respect our non-intervention and might think we were being weak, but I would rather head in that direction and act in good faith, and deal with someone like this on an individual basis. And, we haven't acted like non-interventionists since before WWII!! It would be a MAJOR change.

Ron Paul and many others don't like the UN. But I think the idea of having an international forum for airing grievances and arbitrating disputes is essential in the world. I don't think everything can be worked out between just the parties involved. They're not objective.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

But the demonization of the U.S. and the West is often for internal consumption. They're looking for a scapegoat for their internal problems, when actually there is a lot of corruption in these governments and a lot of inequality in these countries. Plus, that region has a lot of religious conflict, so they're often unstable.

Also, the Arab nations do not like Israel - duh! And they blame us for appearing to approve of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. I realize the Palestinians have been outrageous as well, but we should insist on a fair two-state solution there and be real "honest brokers" between these two parties. That would help a lot in improving the reputation of the U.S., not just in the Middle East, but all over the world!

People thought the Iranians perceived Jimmy Carter as weak and that's why they took the hostages. But they were pissed off because Carter treated the Shah as our buddy. And, of course, our history of backing the repressive regime of the Shah was the reason the Iranians hated the U.S.

No, we can't let people think they can walk all over us. And, some people would not respect our non-intervention and might think we were being weak, but I would rather head in that direction and act in good faith, and deal with someone like this on an individual basis. And, we haven't acted liked non-interventionists since before WWII!! It would be a MAJOR change.

Ron Paul and many others don't like the UN. But I think the idea of having an international forum for airing grievances and arbitrating disputes is essential in the world. I don't think everything can be worked out between just the parties involved. They're not objective.

I don't care for the UN in its present form one bit and have not for roughly 25 years. The continued prattling form Khofi Anan (sp?) about how the U.S. needs to give more based on ever changing percentage of GDP formulas quite frankly made me stop listening to anything the man had to say. That we were the World's largest contributors was not enough for him.

The corruption at that organization has been, IMO, incredible. And yet they have the stones to cast blame on us, their single largest contributor? Impressive to say the least. His own son caught up in a scandal? How dare the "West" question their good works! Find me a new organization. This one has run its course, IMO.

[Frenchy]

The UN in it's present guise is corrupt and useless. No one in their right mind can justify it's existence.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by jmichna

You mistake reporting facts (numbers of terrorist attacks, numbers of killed and wounded) with a "hate site." So, in your world, cataloging and reporting actual incidents, facts, real things that happened - not opinions - are "hate"? And you ask "What is the purpose?" Could it be to inform, to make people aware of what is happening all over the world, because nearly all of these incidents are NOT covered by the MSM? Could it be, because if people understood the frequency and magnitude of all these incidents, they would be truly alarmed and up in arms? Could it be we are intentionally being kept in the dark, because if we truly knew and understood what is happening, the self-blamers, the self-haters, the moral relativists, would have to be open to changing their minds? Could it be because there is ONE common thread, ONE common denominator in ALL the incidents, ALL over the world, in dozens and dozens of countries, and people would prefer to ignore what is happening around them? Or, prefer to ignore this common factor (HINT: it is NOT Israel, and it is NOT the US), and instead look to blame themselves, their culture, their government? Anywhere, but where the blame truly lies? Sorry, I'm not a passenger on the SS Titanic.

That's a great summary of the mental disorder that is modern, far-left liberalism.

Many people don't want to talk about the many terrorists attacks that happen all the time--it always has to be all about us and it's always all our fault.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Although I'm sure I will get ridiculed, I agree with John Kerry here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/ma...pagewanted=all

Wow...terrorists should be regarded as a "nuisance"? I remember hearing this back when Kerry said it and I thought it was stupid. It's still just as stupid today, IMO.

Why should we regard people who have sworn to kill us and HAVE killed us, as simply a "nuisance"?

This is the ever-growing mentality of the far-left crowd....they feel that that "the wolf will pass by the door" if we just be nice and ignore the problem.

Frank

[invssgt]

“Miss Lillian wanted Billy to be President. But she didn't think Jimmy could handle the gas station.”
Red Skelton

Skelton was a political genius

[eric_t12]

Originally Posted by Judge

This has nothing to do with my or your world view.

it's simply taking the jihadi's at their word. we either surrender or submit, or we die.

Now, based on what they've said, the reason they fight jihah, could you please answer the question.

thanks,

yet, if we take them at their word here...

"We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy."

...its falling to their terrorist propaganda?

ETA: if you feel that way judge, then you are a supporter of alqaeda as well. congratulations!

youre a ron paul supporter

[Edubya]

Yesterday, Carter hugged the leader of the Hamas. Today, Bush hugged the Pope! Tomorrow, Obama hugs the leader of Iran and North Korea!

[eric_t12]

they feel that that "the wolf will pass by the door" if we just be nice and ignore the problem.

well considering the wolf is another human, any human capable of independent thought that decides to join them, its kinda hard to just kill every one of them, and say you "won".

maybe we should think about why they are so angry with us... maybe.

or maybe we could figure out why the ones who actually LEAVE terrorist groups DO leave them...it happens...

then again i have noticed that the act of understanding and peaceful pro-activity with the bulk of the population, while still fighting those who are actually terrorists, is much too difficult a concept to understand.

[KEVWYO]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

The UN in it's present guise is corrupt and useless. No one in their right mind can justify it's existence.

I can justify it: How else can Kofi Annan's son be corrupt?