I am wondering if it is accurate!..about Obama

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Palmguy

Didn't you hear though? [Junior, first term] Sen. Obama has more foreign policy experience than both Sens. McCain and Clinton!

???
Where is this coming from?

Peace,
D.

[Bree]

Originally Posted by Palmguy

Didn't you hear though? [Junior, first term] Sen. Obama has more foreign policy experience than both Sens. McCain and Clinton!

Wow! I think we should send him to the French Foreign Legion.

[Palmguy]

As I was...I'll have to correct myself because even if that's what he meant, he didn't come out and say it in those words:

"I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."

He said he knows more and understands the world better.

Mayhill Fowler: Obama: No Need For Foreign Policy Help From V.P. - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post

[Brickboy240]

Yeah, Obama would love the French..but the legion? I dunno...lots of icky icky guns used by the legionnaires and we all know he hates those things!

LOL

- brickboy240

[Bree]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Yeah, Obama would love the French..but the legion? I dunno...lots of icky icky guns used by the legionnaires and we all know he hates those things!

LOL

- brickboy240

He could be one of the NEW (Change Change Change) French Foreign SAVATE Legionnaires... the ones that fight with no guns but only use their feet!! He'll stick his foot in your mouth faster than you can say French Fry!

[mgeoffriau]

Savate fighters punch too...if I recall they don't receive points for punches in competitions, so punches are used more to tire the opponent and set up kicks.

[Bree]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

Savate fighters punch too...if I recall they don't receive points for punches in competitions, so punches are used more to tire the opponent and set up kicks.

Yep but Obama is a Democrat so his hands are tied right from the get go!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Something to think about, an article by a Black Columnist.

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

First of all, this is the same Ken (Kenneth) Blackwell of Ohio who was involved in election irregularities during his tenure there as Secretary of State. This also is the same Kenneth Blackwell whose office accidentally published a list of 1.2 million Social Security numbers of Ohio citizens on a website along with their business filings.

Blackwell certainly hits all of the right wing hot buttons. Saying Obama has "Hollywood values," and is like George McGovern, Margaret Sanger, Ted Kennedy, Walter Mondale AND Michael Dukakis! This sounds like the scare tactics used in a typical RNC letter to Republicans asking for donations.

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.

Interesting that in 2003 and 2004, John Kerry was the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

In fact, Obama has not advocated either for attacking Pakistan or embracing Ahmadinejad. Obama has said that the U.S. should be willing to strike against al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if the country's president Pervez Musharraf refuses. Obama also said during a debate last year that he was willing to meet with leaders of Iran and other U.S. rivals without preconditions, although he did not commit to doing so.

Obama said that he thought that it would be a profound mistake to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance involving civilians.

And really, how much foreign policy experience did Bush have when he assumed the presidency? Bush had not even traveled to other countries that much before he became president.

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.' How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Yes, more Chinese goods have become affordable for Americans.

According to a Congressional study, families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts.

Tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

"Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.

Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years." (NY Times)

Rather than benefit cuts or a higher retirement age, Obama supports adjusting the cap on payroll taxes so that more wages are subject to the tax. Currtenly, Americans paid a 12.4% Social Security tax on all wages up to $97,500. The cap rises each year with inflation.

Something isn't right when someone like billionaire Warren Buffett pays less in Social Security taxes than anyone else in his office.

With regard to health care, Obama feels the status quo is unsustainable. He would likely support a single-payer system, similar to the government-run program in Canada. But he's leery of taking such a step because the United States already has a complex and established system of employer-based health coverage.

He said that the country is already moving toward a government-based health system.

"The government is already covering half the people," said Obama, noting that Medicare, Medicaid and veterans health systems cover a vast number of Americans.

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, 'All praise and glory to God!' but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have 'hijacked' - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

Obama weighed in with support for the dissenting opinion of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who wrote that the ruling “tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.”

In his statement, Obama said he was “extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”


Just wanted to set the record straight. As I have said, I'm voting for Ron Paul. Obama would be my second choice, only because he is perceived as being the most "anti-war" of the three remaining candidates. His election would hopefully be a repudiation of neoconservative doctrine, in particular preemptive war.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

First of all, this is the same Ken (Kenneth) Blackwell of Ohio who was involved in election irregularities during his tenure there as Secretary of State. This also is the same Kenneth Blackwell whose office accidentally published a list of 1.2 million Social Security numbers of Ohio citizens on a website along with their business filings.

Blackwell certainly hits all of the right wing hot buttons. Saying Obama has "Hollywood values," and is like George McGovern, Margaret Sanger, Ted Kennedy, Walter Mondale AND Michael Dukakis! This sounds like the scare tactics used in a typical RNC letter to Republicans asking for donations.




Interesting that in 2003 and 2004, John Kerry was the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.




In fact, Obama has not advocated either for attacking Pakistan or embracing Ahmadinejad. Obama has said that the U.S. should be willing to strike against al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if the country's president Pervez Musharraf refuses. Obama also said during a debate last year that he was willing to meet with leaders of Iran and other U.S. rivals without preconditions, although he did not commit to doing so.

Obama said that he thought that it would be a profound mistake to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance involving civilians.

And really, how much foreign policy experience did Bush have when he assumed the presidency? Bush had not even traveled to other countries that much before he became president.



Yes, more Chinese goods have become affordable for Americans.

According to a Congressional study, families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts.

Tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

"Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.

Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years." (NY Times)

Rather than benefit cuts or a higher retirement age, Obama supports adjusting the cap on payroll taxes so that more wages are subject to the tax. Currtenly, Americans paid a 12.4% Social Security tax on all wages up to $97,500. The cap rises each year with inflation.

Something isn't right when someone like billionaire Warren Buffett pays less in Social Security taxes than anyone else in his office.

With regard to health care, Obama feels the status quo is unsustainable. He would likely support a single-payer system, similar to the government-run program in Canada. But he's leery of taking such a step because the United States already has a complex and established system of employer-based health coverage.

He said that the country is already moving toward a government-based health system.

"The government is already covering half the people," said Obama, noting that Medicare, Medicaid and veterans health systems cover a vast number of Americans.





Obama weighed in with support for the dissenting opinion of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who wrote that the ruling “tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.”

In his statement, Obama said he was “extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”


Just wanted to set the record straight. As I have said, I'm voting for Ron Paul. Obama would be my second choice, only because he is perceived as being the most "anti-war" of the three remaining candidates. His election would hopefully be a repudiation of neoconservative doctrine, in particular preemptive war.

Can you please cite your source for this post?

The last half of it sounds like an article. It also has the " " marks around certain passages.

It reads just like a typical op-ed piece that has been cut and pasted here without a quote or source.

Whoever wrote what you posted, this part still made me laugh...

Originally Posted by ?

In fact, Obama has not advocated either for attacking Pakistan or embracing Ahmadinejad.

VERY next sentence....

Originally Posted by ?

Obama has said that the U.S. should be willing to strike against al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if the country's president Pervez Musharraf refuses.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Yep...it looks like you were just caught red-handed plagiarizing...

Straight from the NY Times....word for word....

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Obama weighed in with support for the dissenting opinion of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who wrote that the ruling “tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.”

In his statement, Obama said he was “extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”

Reaction to Court’s Abortion Ruling Falls Along Predictable Party Lines - New York Times

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This part of your post was taken from the Huffington Post...WORD FOR WORD...

Originally Posted by Etta Place

In fact, Obama has not advocated either for attacking Pakistan or embracing Ahmadinejad. Obama has said that the U.S. should be willing to strike against al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if the country's president Pervez Musharraf refuses. Obama also said during a debate last year that he was willing to meet with leaders of Iran and other U.S. rivals without preconditions, although he did not commit to doing so.

Bush: Obama Would "Attack Pakistan And Embrace Ahmadinejad" - Politics on The Huffington Post

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And finally, you lifted this part of your post from sfgate.com...also word for word....

Originally Posted by Etta Place

With regard to health care, Obama feels the status quo is unsustainable. He would likely support a single-payer system, similar to the government-run program in Canada. But he's leery of taking such a step because the United States already has a complex and established system of employer-based health coverage.

He said that the country is already moving toward a government-based health system.

"The government is already covering half the people," said Obama, noting that Medicare, Medicaid and veterans health systems cover a vast number of Americans.

Obama Says U.S. Ready for Health Reform

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I see you properly cited the NYT when you pasted the "tax cuts for the rich" stuff, but that's it.

The rest of it you positioned as if it were your response to Ed Ely--as if it were your own words.

Certainly you are capable of original thought. People who paste their responses from the web don't have a lot of credibility with me.

Shameful.

Frank