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The Surge that is working... and Political Progress in Iraq...
I don't have time to summarize some of these like I wanted, sorry for the cut and paste, but a good read nonetheless:
Democrats Dug In For Retreat By Charles Krauthammer Friday, February 22, 2008; Page A23 "No one can spend some 10 days visiting the battlefields in Iraq without seeing major progress in every area. . . . If the U.S. provides sustained support to the Iraqi government -- in security, governance, and development -- there is now a very real chance that Iraq will emerge as a secure and stable state." -- Anthony Cordesman, "The Situation in Iraq: A Briefing From the Battlefield," Feb. 13, 2008 This from a man who was a severe critic of the postwar occupation of Iraq and who, as author Peter Wehner points out, is no wide-eyed optimist. In fact, in May 2006 Cordesman had written that "no one can argue that the prospects for stability in Iraq are good." Now, however, there is simply no denying the remarkable improvements in Iraq since the surge began a year ago. Unless you're a Democrat. As Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) put it, "Democrats have remained emotionally invested in a narrative of defeat and retreat in Iraq." Their Senate leader, Harry Reid, declares the war already lost. Their presidential candidates (eight of them at the time) unanimously oppose the surge. Then the evidence begins trickling in. We get news of the Anbar Awakening, which has now spread to other Sunni areas and Baghdad. The sectarian civil strife that the Democrats insisted was the reason for us to leave dwindles to the point of near disappearance. Much of Baghdad is returning to normal. There are 90,000 neighborhood volunteers -- ordinary citizens who act as auxiliary police and vital informants on terrorist activity -- starkly symbolizing the insurgency's loss of popular support. Captured letters of al-Qaeda leaders reveal despair as they are driven -- mostly by Iraqi Sunnis, their own Arab co-religionists -- to flight and into hiding. After agonizing years of searching for the right strategy and the right general, we are winning. How do Democrats react? From Nancy Pelosi to Barack Obama, the talking point is the same: Sure, there is military progress. We could have predicted that. (They in fact had predicted the opposite, but no matter.) But it's all pointless unless you get national reconciliation. "National" is a way to ignore what is taking place at the local and provincial level, such as Shiite cleric Ammar al-Hakim, scion of the family that dominates the largest Shiite party in Iraq, traveling last October to Anbar in an unprecedented gesture of reconciliation with the Sunni sheiks. Doesn't count, you see. Democrats demand nothing less than federal-level reconciliation, and it has to be expressed in actual legislation. The objection was not only highly legalistic but also politically convenient: Very few (including me) thought this would be possible under the Maliki government. Then last week, indeed on the day Cordesman published his report, it happened. Mirabile dictu, the Iraqi parliament approved three very significant pieces of legislation. First, a provincial powers law that turns Iraq into arguably the most federal state in the entire Arab world. The provinces get not only power but also elections by Oct. 1. U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker has long been calling this the most crucial step to political stability. It will allow, for example, the pro-American Anbar sheiks to become the legitimate rulers of their province, exercise regional autonomy and forge official relations with the Shiite-dominated central government. Second, parliament passed a partial amnesty for prisoners, 80 percent of whom are Sunni. Finally, it approved a $48 billion national budget that allocates government revenue -- about 85 percent of which is from oil -- to the provinces. Kurdistan, for example, gets one-sixth. What will the Democrats say now? They will complain that there is still no oil distribution law. True. But oil revenue is being distributed to the provinces in the national budget. The fact that parliament could not agree on a permanent formula for the future simply means that it will be allocating oil revenue year by year as part of the budget process. Is that a reason to abandon Iraq to al-Qaeda and Iran? Despite all the progress, military and political, the Democrats remain unwavering in their commitment to withdrawal on an artificial timetable that inherently jeopardizes our "very real chance that Iraq will emerge as a secure and stable state." Why? Imagine the transformative effects in the region, and indeed in the entire Muslim world, of achieving a secure and stable Iraq, friendly to the United States and victorious over al-Qaeda. Are the Democrats so intent on denying George Bush retroactive vindication for a war they insist is his that they would deny their own country a now-achievable victory? |
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What we did was finish the job half assed with OBL. AQ is laughing at us. We drove him to Pakistan. We allowed AQ to set up in Iraq. We turned Afghanistan over to the drug lords and increased opium production. We destabilized Pakistan due to our insistence to let us in. That got India nervous. We drove millions of refugees out of Iraq. We started our war in their back yard. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead from out actions. That got Iran nervous. We threaten invasion. Turkey, our ally, is now pissed because it has spilled over their border. If you want to install a Democracy in the M.E. then say so. That is not what was done. We went to Afghanistan to get OBL. Mission not accomplished. We went to Iraq to remove Saddam. Mission accomplished. AQ out maneuvered us in Iraq and we had to stay. We could not get Pakistan to go after AQ and the Taliban in Pakistan. Then we were sold a bill of goods about some pie in the sky freedom movement in Iraq and the M.E. and are called America haters because we don't want freedom in the M.E. And somehow we are unpatriotic because we didn't sign up in the beginning and we are not happy with the mission revision afterwards. We leave a trail of wreckage, that if we can clean up, will cost us money, blood, and political clout, yet we continue to be sold this Johnny Apple Seed dream of what a wonderful thing we are doing in the M.E. Fu** the M.E. I can't wait till the oil is gone. I'm using it up as fast as I can. When it is gone, so will we be, and nobody will give a rat's a$$ about what government is there.
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WOW! Tell us how you really feel So true though
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Not really what I was expecting you to post. I still feel the Iraqi Government will let us and their own people down with their hatred twords each other.
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The surge will be effective only if all conditions for it's implementation are accomplished.
One is increased security. It has become more effective in this regard, but their has been some slippage as of late. The other is a stable government which the surge was supposed to allow. This has not been so successful. Downsizing is supposed to occur in a couple of months, so the surge will come to an end with no unified government.
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I remember hearing of 18 key things the Iraqi government needed to accomplish. In the fall of last year it was reported that 3 of the 18 items had been more or less completed, and that we had a very long way to go before governmental success could be declared in Iraq. The surge was designed to give the Iraqi government time to complete these tasks. The troops once again stepped up to the plate and hit home run after home run as the Iraqi government sat in the dugout and squandered away precious time.
From the White House with very little mentioned of the Iraqi governments ability to meet the benchmarks. (Formatting by White House dot gov) Quote:
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One thing I don't see in there is anything about Iraq and it's oil revenues and that paying for the war like promised. Somehow I don't think this will come up because if George got out the word that oil is paying for the war then it sure negates all this WMD's and al Qaeda crap.
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I'd like to throw into the ring, a topic of conversation we've been having at morning coffee break. This is pure speculation, and I do not pretend to be a member of the "tin foil hat", brigade but consider the following thoughts:
The US's (and the West's) best interests are served by having the Middle East remain in a state of turmoil forever, to keep Sunni and Shia fighting amongst each other, to keep Iraqis and Iranians wary and at each other's throats, to keep all the tribal rivalries and Islamic sectarian rivalries active.I'm interested to see what you think about this. |
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No, too dangerous - with some developing nukes, having wmd.... security is better with stability... as is business - so all those tin-foils thinking this is a war over oil - capitalism can't suceed in turmoil... it much prefers stability, even the stability of someone 'less desireable' from a political standpoint...
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