The lies liberals love, What are we fighting for?

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Exactly--that's a point I've made on here hundreds of times.

If we were only after oil, we would have blown up all of Iraq except for the oil fields, stolen all the oil, stolen the revenues, annexed the oil fields, etc.

If Bush was such a dictator who is bloodthirsty for oil (as many groups like Code Stink tell us) we would have just taken it all.

So, if we are only after oil, why do we let the Iraqis keep what is rightfully theirs? Hmmm....must be some elaborate scheme to fool us from stupid George Bush....wait, I thought he was stupid? How was he smart enough to "mislead" us all into war?

Frank

Propaganda, maybe ???

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Propaganda, maybe ???

I understand that, but how could he do that if he is so stupid, like Code Stink and Moveon tell us?

Frank

[New2Arms]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I understand that, but how could he do that if he is so stupid

He was stupid enough to believe the whole WMD issue (mind you, SH did have them at one point, we sold them to him), and that Iraq was an immediate threat to the US and our borders. What makes you think he wouldn't be stupid enough to believe that we can "Free Iraq"?

Sometime I pity Bush. You could almost argue that he doesn't know what he's doing, he's just ready the teleprompter.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by New2Arms

He was stupid enough to believe the whole WMD issue

Most everyone in the world must have been stupid then. Including most major intelligence agencies, Bill Clinton, and John Kerry.

If dems claim GWB is stupid and then at the same time they claim that he "mislead" them into voting for the war, then what does that say about the dems?

Don't tell us you didn't believe there were mass quantities of WMD in Iraq. Or were you smarter than us all?

Frank

[New2Arms]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Don't tell us you didn't believe there were mass quantities of WMD in Iraq.

They had me hook, line, and sinker!

I originally typed "He/We all" regarding the WMD, but I took it out due to conflicting tenses.

But that's part of my point. We ALL thought there were WMD, we ALL (initially) thought there was a connection between SH and AQ...

Over the past few years the government has excelled at misleading the public to coincide with there interests. Why could this conflict not be over oil?

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by New2Arms

Why could this conflict not be over oil?

For the reasons stated above. We are buying it from them, not stealing it. I will grant you that it may very well have something to do with access to their Oil to purchase. If so I believe this to be a very small part as our imports from Iraq are not a significant precentage of our supply.

[Judge]

why would you think it would be over oil..

how many barrels have we taken from them? How many contracts have american oil companies won??


At first, the cry was it was for "cheap oil"... now, are you saying it's for 'expensive oil"??

Originally Posted by New2Arms

They had me hook, line, and sinker!

I originally typed "He/We all" regarding the WMD, but I took it out due to conflicting tenses.

But that's part of my point. We ALL thought there were WMD, we ALL (initially) thought there was a connection between SH and AQ...

Over the past few years the government has excelled at misleading the public to coincide with there interests. Why could this conflict not be over oil?

[New2Arms]

First off, there is no crying in politics

Second, this of course is my opinion, which is the greatest freedom and greatest downfall of this country. By that I mean the common substitution, of fact and opinions... everybody is guilty of it. The media, politicians, internet, etc.

Outside of Afghanistan, can you prove that the "War on Terror" was actually that? What terror and American threat did we overcome?

If we can't agree on oil, which is understandable, can we agree that we are not there to 100% fight "terror"?

[Powerman]

Nice game of semantics. Antis love to say it is for the oil. Pros love to say it is for terror. It is both. You can't separate them. Without oil, we would not give a rat's a$$ about a pile of sand and rocks.

It has always been about the oil. The control of contracts, the control of supply, the control of markets. Please don't say we went there to take the oil. We didn't. We could have done that decades ago. Our policy has always been to acquire cheap and easily accessed oil and keep it from our competion. As I have always said, an argument can be made that that is in the best interest of America. However, in the long run, something needs to change.

The only thing that gives terrorists any power is oil. They have fought over the holly land for centuries. Who cares? The only reason we do is for the oil. We are the big kid on the block. We are a decadent and wasteful society of infidels. We have soiled the Holly land with our presence. We are an easy target. Take a bunch of retards with nothing else to do and centuries of hate in their hearts and here we are.

We are there for the terrorists. But not because we are Saints and wish to rid the world of evil. We can do that anywhere. We have shown time and time again we will turn our back on the evil of the world when it suits our needs. We are there because terrorists threaten our interests in the region. Our only interests in the region is oil and Israel. Not one claim was made about going there to protect Israel so that isn't it.

Now, whether you like it or not, this country is dependent on oil. The industrial revolution, and our supply to energy has gotten us to the top of the heap. For those that are so against us being there for oil, stop driving. Stop filling up your tank. Stop driving to the store that you could walk to. Stop being part of the problem. Eventually, we will find another solution because we will have no other choice. As long as the demand keeps growing, and supply keeps dwindling, there will continue to be conflicts over the planets resources. I'm real curious to see what happens when the Western U.S. runs out of water.

[trik396]

Originally Posted by New2Arms

He was stupid enough to believe the whole WMD issue (mind you, SH did have them at one point, we sold them to him), and that Iraq was an immediate threat to the US and our borders. What makes you think he wouldn't be stupid enough to believe that we can "Free Iraq"?

Sometime I pity Bush. You could almost argue that he doesn't know what he's doing, he's just ready the teleprompter.

You pity Bush? That's one of the more stupid statements I've read on this forum... and I've read many.

So you don't think it's possible that Saddam ordered some of his army to dig a huge hole in the desert, bury the goods, then kill all those who knew the location?
So you don't think it's possible that Saddam shipped the WMD to Syria?

You don't think those two highly plausible events took place but instead choose to believe this huge conspiracy going back several administrations and including dozens of countries...

I understand you now... you're thinking is just "warped" a little... and I'm being kind.