Have you guys seen these video's of Obama's Pastor?

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

I am pretty sure that a large section of people that vote left or are supporting Obama already share the views of Reverend Wright. Its probably nothing new to any of them.

Are these views wrong? Of course they are, but I am sure that the "exposure" of Obama's race-baiting pastor will not turn many of his hardcore supporters away. Many of these people always see division, problems and corruption and will twist their world to fit their beliefs. To some...slavery never went away and their whole reason for being is to keep the hatred and division going. Its the only thing that fuels them.

You can show them examples of successful black people all day long. You can show them empirical evidence that black people gathered their own peoples up for loading on the European slave ships on the Gold Coast and they don't care. You can tell them of many whites that were killed fighting for the Union in the Civil War or died, trying to bring civil rights in the South and that means nothing. Show them evidence that well over 90% of the white population never owned slaves and many white Americans came to America after slavery ws abolished and again, they don't want to hear it. They see light skinned peoples and this means the enemy and the cause of all their problems no matter what.

Its sad that a large part of our society feels this way, but some people are born angry and will forever have a chip on their shoulder or feel animosity towards others. Theres really nothing we can do about these people and its not our duty to change their minds...is it?

- Brickboy240

Well put, Brickboy.

When I talk about how some might be convinced to change their minds, I am talking about center-left dems and undecided voters. It is usually the voters in the middle who end up deciding the election.

If Obama makes it to the general election, these could be enough to sway enough people to make a difference.

I'm with you--I wish that voters decided on a candidate based on the issues and the record, but in today's world it is all about gossip, who got voted off the island, and soundbytes.

Frank

[Brickboy240]

Well, I already did not like Obama based SOLELY on his stance on the issues.

Throw in his association with this race-baiter preacher and he really makes me queasy.

- Brickboy240

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I also heard someone say that experience doesn't matter with Obama because "he is smart enough to surround himself with intelligent and experienced people".

Frank

Wasn't this the same argument used to elect ol' GWB...twice? Look how well that's worked out!

I know you are not arguing for this position or statement Frank. I just find it funny.

[wombat13]

Originally Posted by Powerman

This is extreme period, and I am quite shocked a "mainstream" candidate would defend him. Wow!

Originally Posted by brickboy

I am pretty sure that a large section of people that vote left or are supporting Obama already share the views of Reverend Wright. Its probably nothing new to any of them.

Unless this story goes away quickly, I think it is unlikely that Obama can win the election. The Obama campaign is all about the warm fuzzy feeling one gets by supporting the post-racial agent of a "change we can believe in." This revelation is like a wet-blanket - it's not warm or fuzzy. The following Rasmussen poll backs this up. 56% of respondents (44% of Dems) indicated that they are now less likely to vote for Obama.

What is even more interesting is that 29% of blacks indicated that Wright's comments make them MORE likely to vote for Obama (and 50% of blacks stated that it had no effect). Contra Powerman, as far as blacks are concerned these statements aren't extreme at all. This is another indicator of how far out of the political mainstream blacks are.

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[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Wasn't this the same argument used to elect ol' GWB...twice? Look how well that's worked out!

I know you are not arguing for this position or statement Frank. I just find it funny.

lol

I don't really think that GWB was necessarily qualified to be President either.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by wombat13

What is even more interesting is that 29% of blacks indicated that Wright's comments make them MORE likely to vote for Obama (and 50% of blacks stated that it had no effect).

This helps prove Birkcboy's point that these statements aren't going to change the minds of the hard-left Obama supporters..

Frank

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by wombat13

Contra Powerman, as far as blacks are concerned these statements aren't extreme at all. This is another indicator of how far out of the political mainstream blacks are.

If this is the case, which it might very well be, then it is worse than I thought. We still have far to go.

[AZXD]

I once read that this country was prime for a race war. Perhaps this will become the catalyst.

If not and things continue, we will most likely be looking at a Presidential run between Hillary and McCain. That is what the political strategists have been hoping for, and I am all to happy to see how things play out.

As for this story dying,
I don't see that happening. Heck one of the radio guys was saying the Oprah had belonged to the same church and left many years ago. As in before we knew her as Oprah, and while I really don't follow her, the radio guy indicated that she has distanced herself from Obama as she figured out more of his background.
The way I see it, if she were to be asked about this, it would be very harmful to the Obama campaign.

Anyone got a microphone & camera

Congregation Defends Obama's Ex-Pastor

Barack Obama's Church Changes the Way it Describes its Mission for ... FOXNews

Kristol Admits Another Error -- This One on Obama Smear
Editor & Publisher - 9 hours ago
Published: March 17, 2008 1:50 PM ET

NEW YORK Bill Kristol, columnist for The New York Times, had to offer another correction today.

Kristol wrote in today's column, in attempting to debunk Sen Barack Obama's denial that he was ever present when his Chicago pastor made some of his most "offensive" remarks: "But Ronald Kessler, a journalist who has written about [Rev. Jeremiah] Wright’s ministry, claims that Obama was in fact in the pews at Trinity last July 22. That’s when Wright blamed the 'arrogance' of the 'United States of White America' for much of the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks. In any case, given the apparent frequency of such statements in Wright’s preaching and their centrality to his worldview, the pretense that over all these years Obama had no idea that Wright was saying such things is hard to sustain."

He did not identify Kessler as writing for a conservative Web site NewsMax, and that Kessler had a single source.

Marc Ambinder at theatlantic.com, and others, quickly charged "error," pointing out that Obama was in Miami campaigning on the day in question. The Obama campaign verified this.

Now Kristol has admitted his error, posting at the end of his column on the Times' site: "In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error."

Kristol's column has been plagued by errors in its short run so far.

For his part, Kessler at Newsmax admits today that his source now has fallen away from his specific July 22 claim, saying, "he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22," and can no longer be certain of which date he has written about.

Is it true? Does it matter?
The whole process is about propaganda anyway, so spread the word.
They're all bad in their own little ways

[Delija]

Originally Posted by AZXD

I once read that this country was prime for a race war.

Yeah, me too. It was quoted by Charles Manson in the book "Helter Skelter".

It's scare tactics and politics of divisiveness at it's worst.

Just my usual very humble opinion. Perhaps my black freinds and former co-workers were the exceptions to the rule. But they all seemed to think of themselves as Americans first.

Peace Bro,
D.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Delija

Yeah, me too. It was quoted by Charles Manson in the book "Helter Skelter".

It's scare tactics and politics of divisiveness at it's worst.

Just my usual very humble opinion. Perhaps my black freinds and former co-workers were the exceptions to the rule. But they all seemed to think of themselves as Americans first.

Peace Bro,
D.

Hmmm,
What I remember was related to the tension of illegal immigration. Perhaps some literary freedom was taken by a writer. Like I said, I don't remember exactly where I read it. But I did read it.
Everyone I associate with, also thinks of themselves as American first.

So yea, I guess it is "scare tactics and politics of divisiveness at it's worst". I wish it could be stopped

I truly believe that without negative influences, most people are good people.