ARGH! Freakin' Liberals!

[longtalltechsan]

What is it about socialized healthcare that makes it so appealing to liberals? I just got into a discussion with a lib in my office about it. Why in the hell would we want the government deciding our fate when it comes to health care? Do they actually believe that it will be free? Are they that freakin' stupid? If it is so good, why do people from Canada come here for health care? Why is the death rate for cancer so high in countries like Canada and Great Britain and so low here? And what's worse is that these dumbasses will be voting in the next election.

Just had to vent!

[KarolinaKid]

Say it bro! I hear ya and I'm with ya.

[crotchetyoldcuss]

Because it is socialized!

[rogerxd45]

i think there should be some more free clinics to help those that cant afford heath care no child should go with out the medical held they need, but i think that privite medical facilities should stay that way for those that can afford it.

[DanTheEldest]

In general, leftists tend to be collectivists, while conservatives and most libertarians favor an individualist viewpoint. To a leftist, the government is the pinnacle of human society and the source of all good things, so therefore a massive, collective, government-provided healthcare system must be the best form of providing medical care. The fact that it fares from simply mediocre to absolutely abysmal everywhere it's been tried doesn't matter.

To me, the only thing our healthcare system really needs is litigation reform. Once the burden of unfounded "lottery by lawsuit" malpractice settlements and trials eases (while still allowing for the pursuit of the relative few genuine cases), insurance rates and the overall costs of healthcare should follow suit. Competition in the free-market system among providers assures it once the artificially-inflated cost structure is adjusted to no longer account for hundreds of millions (or even billions) paid out to plantiff attorneys every year.

[DanTheEldest]

Originally Posted by rogerxd45

i think there should be some more free clinics to help those that cant afford heath care no child should go with out the medical held they need.

There are free clinics, and hospitals are required by law to provide at least emergency care regardless of the insurance status of those coming in (hence all the illegals using ER's for colds and the flu). The states run their own low-income programs dealing at the local level, but what we're talking about is another unnecessary, massive, federal intrusion into our lives that will be as bloated, redundant, and inefficient as the rest of what the feds do.

[Druac]

I just wish everyone, regardless of income, could get THE BEST healthcare...period.

How do we accomplish that? I have no clue...but I don't think the Government has to run it to make it possible.

[BuccaneersFan]

The liberals are so stupid they haven't figured out that all of their previous health care bills have basically added up to FREE HEALTH CARE.

As an example, my brother is a deadbeat drug addict and can't/won't hold a job so he doesn't have any medical insurance but he has gotten plenty of free health care including dental work. All you have to do is open your freaking and eyes and look for it and it's there.

I really think most people don't realize that the Government's money comes from our taxes and the simple fact is, if they spend more money it means we have to pay more taxes. But this of course doesn't matter to those on well fare because they don't pay any friggin taxes.

[Cohoskip]

Come on now, Longtall, tell us how you really feel...

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by longtalltechsan

What is it about socialized healthcare that makes it so appealing to liberals? I just got into a discussion with a lib in my office about it. Why in the hell would we want the government deciding our fate when it comes to health care? Do they actually believe that it will be free? Are they that freakin' stupid? If it is so good, why do people from Canada come here for health care? Why is the death rate for cancer so high in countries like Canada and Great Britain and so low here? And what's worse is that these dumbasses will be voting in the next election.

Just had to vent!

After many talks with people on both the conservative and liberal side I've broken it down to two diametrically opposed mindsets.

The mindset that most conservatives and libertarians promote is that society works best when PEOPLE have complete power over their lives, that the PEOPLE cede a certain small portion of this power over to a centralized governing body in order to make life easier and allow it to move in a more smooth and streamlined fashion

(i.e I will pay taxes so that public school can provide basic elementary education to my children and so that I can devote my efforts toward other things)

or more appropriately for this forum

(Law : You may own weapons of your choice, but not nuclear weapons)

Now, the primary difference I have seen between people who label themselves "conservatives" and those that label themselves "libertarians" is that they have different views of just how much power we are willing to cede to a governing body.

The mindset that most modern "liberals", communists, and socialists promote is that society works best when a central governing body holds a majority of the power and that body cedes certain small amounts of it's power to it's citizenry.

(i.e The government should force ALL children to attend public school because it is whats good for them)

or more appropriate for this forum

(Law : You may NOT own weapons except for models A, B, and C).

Hence the reason most of them LOVE socialized medicine. It's another example of the government being able to control something and the responsibility not falling onto them.