Democrat Majority Power Delivers--The largest tax increase in history!!!

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I hope you aren't implying that if the dems gain complete control and raise taxes, that it will be the republicans fault

We need more choices for President and the two major parties should stop stifling third-party candidates.

The dems have a MUCH WORSE record on raising taxes than the republicans.

Frank

We are actually agreeing on much. I can stay on topic. I only raise other subjects because of the way I view a one sided post. I see that your views are balanced and I can stick to the topic.

And yes I am implying if the Dems gain control of "D.C." that it is due to the conduct of the Reps for the last 6 years. Dems and Reps will always be elected. However, there is a reason the country is willing to vote Reps out of office. I'm not saying I agree with it, but the public is not voting Dems into power because they bring so much good to the table. And again, we are forced to continue in the two party system. It does not matter what hat they are wearing. Dems will tax us into bankrupcy, or the Reps will spend us there. The machine has taken on a life of it's own.

As a citizen, the dollar figure of my taxes is not a issue. I don't have a fundemental problem with paying money for my Federal Government to take care of federal government buisness. I certainly don't have a problem paying for a millitary to protect my borders. I have no problem paying for opperations to bring those responsible for 9/11 to justice, no matter how high the cost. My problem is that the Feds are not even in the same solar system when it comes to appropriate federal fiscal responsibility.

And yes, I oppose increased taxes to fund the same Federal fiscal irresponsibility that has been going on for too long.

[SkyRat]

Originally Posted by Powerman

However, there is a reason the country is willing to vote Reps out of office. I'm not saying I agree with it, but the public is not voting Dems into power because they bring so much good to the table.

The American people largely voted for "blue dog" Dems that promised to be tougher on Terrorism and spending than the Reps have been. Since every single freshman Dem voted for this in both the House and Senate it took about two months to prove them all as liars.

[SkyRat]

I just read a great quote from one of the masters.

"I think many of us would agree both parties seem like exhausted little volcanoes,
and that they are driven more by hunger than belief."
-- Peggy Noonan, March 23, 2007

[Delija]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

The Federal Reserve act of 1913 allowed the government to acquire revenue by printing it, thus causing the depression, and allowing the lying, narcissistic tyrant, destroyer of the Constitution FDR, to implement fascist policy's straight from Mussolini and Stalin. Which were never fully dismantled, allowing the socialist policy's to eat away at our society like a terminal case of cancer.

FDR was a fascist?



Peace,
D.

[NMCB3]

Originally Posted by Delija

FDR was a fascist?



Peace,
D.

No, he was nothing more than a politician.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Powerman

I get so tired of this East vs. West, Blood vs. Crips, Rep vs. Dem, Right vs. Left, religious vs. secular. .45 vs. 9mm. (Actually that one doesn't count. We all know who wins that one )

The one that s aimed correctly!!!!!
Sorry couldn't help it.

But I do agree, no solution is ever found when choosing sides. The solution is always found in how you play the game. Frankly, I think most politicians are not worth much. But I study/vote and hope my choice finds favor with the majority. Whether my choice wins is less important than what the winner does while in office. I love the Internet as I can effectively voice my support or opposition to the actions of our elected officials in a quick efficient fashion. I can also spread the word about approval or disapproval for the actions of our elected officials, and advise them that I am savy to the methods of communication we have available.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I hope you aren't implying that if the dems gain complete control and raise taxes, that it will be the republicans fault Frank

I watched some of the 2008 budget debate on C-SPAN today, and for every Republican attack over tax increases the Democratic reply was along the lines of the Republicans spent this much and increased the deficit.

So yea, the jist of it is the Republicans created a situation that requires the increase to balance the budget of what had been a surplus before they took over the House and Senate.

It was sadly some of the best political comedy I have seen this week. They looked like a bunch of kids on a playground taunting each other. Just like everything that has been debated in politics, the politicians twist and distort truth and lies into a messy jumble of nothing.

We need more choices for President and the two major parties should stop stifling third-party candidates.Frank

I could not agree more!!!!!
I would be happy if the big 2 would shut up and give everyone else a chance to speak, because I'd like to hear what they have to say.

The dems have a MUCH WORSE record on raising taxes than the republicans.Frank

No argument from me

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker's paycheck or the profits of business.Pressure from importers and exporters kept these low. It was not even allowed to tax directly until the 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913. The Federal Reserve act of 1913 allowed the government to acquire revenue by printing it, thus causing the depression, and allowing the lying, narcissistic tyrant, destroyer of the Constitution FDR, to implement fascist policy's straight from Mussolini and Stalin. Which were never fully dismantled, allowing the socialist policy's to eat away at our society like a terminal case of cancer.

Yep, did a lot of research on the FR, this is a primary cause of what we experience today. So who is really in control? I say the ones who control the money. We used to be able to exchange paper for gold and our currency had a note on it stating so. It was called a greenback. Try that with todays paper. It is worth the paper it is printed on. but maybe not much more.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

None of those guys are capable of getting us out of this mess. None of those guy`s are willing to shake up the establishment. There is only one candidate who could care less about the status quo, who if elected would virtually be the leader of a revolution. Only one man running that is Founding Father material constitutionally speaking. And we both know who that is, it`s the guy you won`t support because he`s not a war monger.

I disagree. Tancredo would shake things up. He is already basically not allowed at the White House anymore due to disagreements with Bush and a "screaming match" that he got into with Karl Rove regarding illegal immigration.

NMCB3, I thought you acknowleged at one time that you thought Tancredo was a good candidate? I know you won't like him as much as Ron Paul, but they share a LOT of similarities--including sponsoring a lot of each others' legislation that the two big parties always seem to bury every time they release it.

Frank

[AZXD]

So what if,
Ron Paul & Tom Tancredo decided to run a joint ticket.
Then what/how would you feel?