Democrat Majority Power Delivers--The largest tax increase in history!!!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by VAXDGUY

Sure...how many billions are we spending a day in that pisshole in the Mideast?

Abt 1/5th of what it would cost us to abide by Kyoto in order to reduce the earth temperature by less than one degree over the next 100 years, +/-. Even with the expense, there is no guarentees; such is life.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by VAXDGUY

Sure...how many billions are we spending a day in that pisshole in the Mideast?

I don't think anyone is in love with how much we are spending. However the military is not the only place I'd cut from.

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I didn't post any propaganda.

You are right about one thing; both parties have it wrong when it comes to taxes and spending. The problem with republicans is that they fail to cut spending when they cut taxes. The problem with democrats is that they believe that raising taxes year after year is ok, as long as they can tax the hell out of everyone. Then they go around proclaiming out they have "balanced the budget". Yeah....it might be balanced but the growth of goverment and the taxation that it took to get there is disgusting.

This thread is an example of the democrats raising taxes, which is something I happen to disagree with.

We need to cut spending and cut taxes. The republicans have been terrible the last several years in regard to cutting spending. They have grown the size of the federal government, which is the wrong thing to do. The democrats want to make it even worse AND take your money to do it.

No propaganda here. Just facts and opinions.

Frank

Now that was a balanced response. Serious. But why hold up the Dems? I haven't been around here long, but did you do the same thing when it was discovered 12 billion dollars in cash was sent to Iraq with no reciept. Did you share your outrage at 6300 riders on a transportation bill? Where are all the stories you post of uncontrolled Republican spending. You might just have. I don't know.

Holding up the Dems for taxes is like gloating over you're retarded kid whooping my retarded kid's butt in the Special Olympics. Frank, they are both retarded. (no offense intended to anyone) Every election we are forced to vote for the candidate that we think will cause the least harm, instead of trying to decide on which one will take this glorious country the farthest.

I get so tired of this East vs. West, Blood vs. Crips, Rep vs. Dem, Right vs. Left, religious vs. secular. .45 vs. 9mm. (Actually that one doesn't count. We all know who wins that one ) As if those are the only options. You have to be for or against, black or white, nothing in the middle.

Instead of ranting about the Dems and taxes, why don't you do something to get a line item veto. Regan bitched about not having line item veto power in the 80s. Nearly 30 years later and trillions of dollars of pork from both partys here we are.

I'll say this and shut up. (for now ) If the Dems gain the House in 08', and keep the House and Senate, the only people to blame are the Republicans. There is now way to complain about the Dems without holding the people responsible for putting them there accountable. The Republican's conduct the last 6 years and coming 2 are the sole reason. Because of course we know there are only 2 partys in this country. Anything beyond us vs. them is too complicated. At least that is what "they" what us to stick to. Also, if the Dems gain the House in 08", may god have mercy on us. No single party should be in control.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Powerman

Now that was a balanced response.

I've blamed republicans for their complete failure to control spending in many of my posts.

Originally Posted by Powerman

Serious. But why hold up the Dems?

Because they are proposing tax increases and the republicans aren't.

Originally Posted by Powerman

I haven't been around here long, but did you do the same thing when it was discovered 12 billion dollars in cash was sent to Iraq with no reciept. Did you share your outrage at 6300 riders on a transportation bill? Where are all the stories you post of uncontrolled Republican spending. You might just have. I don't know.

Those are examples of outrageous spending by republicans. This threads (and others) are about tax increases. If you want to talk about spending, let's start a spending thread.

Originally Posted by Powerman

Holding up the Dems for taxes is like gloating over you're retarded kid whooping my retarded kid's butt in the Special Olympics. Frank, they are both retarded. (no offense intended to anyone)

I'm holding up the dems because they are proposing tax increases in the republicans aren't.

Originally Posted by Powerman

Every election we are forced to vote for the candidate that we think will cause the least harm, instead of trying to decide on which one will take this glorious country the farthest.

You are right and it's a shame. That is why we should support Tom Tancredo for President! www.teamtancredo.org

Originally Posted by Powerman

Instead of ranting about the Dems and taxes, why don't you do something to get a line item veto. Regan bitched about not having line item veto power in the 80s. Nearly 30 years later and trillions of dollars of pork from both partys here we are.

I have written about the "line item veto" today. I support it.

Originally Posted by Powerman

I'll say this and shut up. (for now ) If the Dems gain the House in 08', and keep the House and Senate, the only people to blame are the Republicans.

I hope you aren't implying that if the dems gain complete control and raise taxes, that it will be the republicans fault

We need more choices for President and the two major parties should stop stifling third-party candidates.

The dems have a MUCH WORSE record on raising taxes than the republicans.

Frank

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Is this really the "change" that millions of Americans voted for

Yes.

As long as VOTING is the only peaceful means to make change and if voting really does work then the answer is YES.

The more I think about it.......if you vote Republicrat then you are voting for socialism. Americans just got and well continue to get what they vote for untill they realize they are just throwing thier vote away. (I don't believe they well ever wake up)

How many decades have they (Republicrats) been in power???? Has any thing changed???? Republicans and Democrats need each other....They ......

Sorry..............off soapbox..............

[NMCB3]

Originally Posted by Cryogaijin

Who said anything about excessive?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to "the New Deal" most of the federal government''s operating budget came from taxes and tarrifs levied on interstate buisness.

As the federal government was primarily created to mediate interstate trade and legal disputes, as well as provide for the common defense, having corporations foot the bill was the most logical way to do things.

You stated shift the primary tax burden to business, that would be excessive unless an enormous cut in spending accompanied the move. That would mean the end of social programs. That sounds good to me though.



Actually the primary reason the government was created was to secure our liberty and protect personal property rights.Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker's paycheck or the profits of business.Pressure from importers and exporters kept these low. It was not even allowed to tax directly until the 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913. The Federal Reserve act of 1913 allowed the government to acquire revenue by printing it, thus causing the depression, and allowing the lying, narcissistic tyrant, destroyer of the Constitution FDR, to implement fascist policy's straight from Mussolini and Stalin. Which were never fully dismantled, allowing the socialist policy's to eat away at our society like a terminal case of cancer.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by paranoid

Yes.

As long as VOTING is the only peaceful means to make change and if voting really does work then the answer is YES.

The more I think about it.......if you vote Republicrat then you are voting for socialism. Americans just got and well continue to get what they vote for untill they realize they are just throwing thier vote away. (I don't believe they well ever wake up)

How many decades have they (Republicrats) been in power???? Has any thing changed???? Republicans and Democrats need each other....They ......

Sorry..............off soapbox..............

lol!

I'd just like to think that most Americans did not vote for (or want) huge tax increases.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again--I am disgusted with the current crop of GOP frontrunners. We need someone like Tancredo, Thompson, Brownback or someone from a 3rd party to get us out of this mess.

Frank

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

lol!

I'd just like to think that most Americans did not vote for (or want) huge tax increases.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again--I am disgusted with the current crop of GOP frontrunners. We need someone like Tancredo, Thompson, Brownback or someone from a 3rd party to get us out of this mess.

Frank

Honestly, there are about 3 to 5 republicans I would vote for......otherwise Libertarian (though I don't like their stand on illegal immigration - open boarders).

[NMCB3]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

lol!



I've said it many times and I'll say it again--I am disgusted with the current crop of GOP frontrunners. We need someone like Tancredo, Thompson, Brownback or someone from a 3rd party to get us out of this mess.

Frank

None of those guys are capable of getting us out of this mess. None of those guy`s are willing to shake up the establishment. There is only one candidate who could care less about the status quo, who if elected would virtually be the leader of a revolution. Only one man running that is Founding Father material constitutionally speaking. And we both know who that is, it`s the guy you won`t support because he`s not a war monger.

[rockerz71]

As long as there are people in this country who want continued or increased services from government, none of the guys who might try to get us out of the mess have a chance of being elected. Unless we see a drastic change in the mindset of the average American, it will take a lot more than votes to fix things.