What do you think of the Constitution Party?

[far_fast]

I think i'll stick to the real constitution party.. the Libertarians.....

You know, the ones for the CONSTITUTION, and not personal morals and opinions.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by far_fast

I think i'll stick to the real constitution party.. the Libertarians.....

You know, the ones for the CONSTITUTION, and not personal morals and opinions.

There are so many different "sects" of libertarians that it is hard for them to appear to be unified. Examples: some want to legalize drugs and some don't. Some are for limited taxation and some aren't.

From Wikipedia:

There are broadly two types of libertarians: consequentialistsand rights theorists.[1] Rights theorists hold that it is morally imperative that all human interaction, including government interaction with private individuals, should be voluntary and consensual. They maintain that the initiation of force by any person or government, against another person or their property — with "force" meaning the use of physical force, the threat of it, or the commission of fraud against someone — who has not initiated physical force, threat, or fraud, is a violation of that principle. This form of libertarianism is associated with Objectivists, as well as with individualist anarchists who see this prohibition as requiring opposition to the state to be consistent.

Consequentialist libertarians do not have a moral prohibition against "initiation of force," but support those actions that they believe will result in the maximum well-being or efficiency for a society. Though they will allow some initiation of force by the state if they believe it necessary to bring about good consequences for society, they believe that allowing a very large scope of political and economic liberty is the most productive way toward this end. This type of libertarianism is associated with Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek.

There are also "left-libertarians", "classical liberals", "objectivists", etc...etc...

If you do any research about libertarianism, you will find that many of these factions disagree on issues such as gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action and the death penalty.

Basically, what I am getting at here is that they libertarians are so divided into several groups and are so diverse, that it is hard for them to appear as one unifed party that a large group of people can get behind. Libertarianism seems more like an idea to me than an actual political party--which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it makes it hard for them to win elections.

far_fast, what kind of libertarian to you consider yourself to be? Also, why do you think that the constitution party doesn't "stick" to the constitution. Their principles, especially #6, seems to indicate that they would.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

From the Constitution Party website:

Gun Control

The right to bear arms is inherent in the right of self defense, defense of the family, and defense against tyranny, conferred on the individual and the community by our Creator to safeguard life, liberty, and property, as well as to help preserve the independence of the nation.

The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution; it may not properly be infringed upon or denied.
The Constitution Party upholds the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. We oppose attempts to prohibit ownership of guns by law-abiding citizens, and stand against all laws which would require the registration of guns or ammunition.

We emphasize that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. In such circumstances, the peaceful citizen's protection against the criminal would be seriously jeopardized.

We call for the repeal of all federal firearms legislation, beginning with Federal Firearms Act of 1968.

We call for the rescinding of all executive orders, the prohibition of any future executive orders, and the prohibition of treaty ratification which would in any way limit the right to keep and bear arms.

That sounds great to me

Frank

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by far_fast

I think i'll stick to the real constitution party.. the Libertarians.....

You know, the ones for the CONSTITUTION, and not personal morals and opinions.

What he said.

"Mawwage... mawwage is what bwings us together today. Mawwage, that blessed awwangement. That dweam within a dweam..."

[Son of Norway]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

There are so many different "sects" of libertarians that it is hard for them to appear to be unified. Examples: some want to legalize drugs and some don't. Some are for limited taxation and some aren't.

There are also "left-libertarians", "classical liberals", "objectivists", etc...etc...

If you do any research about libertarianism, you will find that many of these factions disagree on issues such as gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action and the death penalty.

I think you described every political party here, brah.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by Son of Norway

I think you described every political party here, brah.

Can you name 5 separate factions (that are actually recognized by name)of both the democrat and republican parties?

I anticipated that someone might say what you said. While all parties have their individuals that disagree on some issues (as you seem to be implying--and you are right), the are actually SEVERAL basic philosophies and schools of thought within the libertarian party.

Currently, there are not multiple schools of though,t large enough to have their own names, within the two major parties.

It would be hard to argue that republicans and democrats, as a whole, are divided and not unifed on the major issues of our time, like abortion, gay marriage, the death penalty and affirmative action. Libertarians are all over the map on this issues. There are even "left-libertarians" who oppose capitalism!!!

Frank

P.S.--In my list of different factions of Libertarians, I forgot to mention Anarcho-capitalist libertarians

[Son of Norway]

http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/home.html

[Son of Norway]

http://www.republicansforchoice.com/

[Son of Norway]

http://www.democratsforlife.org/inde...tpage&Itemid=1