Ohio wants special car plates for sex offenders

[TeflonKid]

Since you seem to ignore it. Do you honestly think a child molestor would put these plates on their car and drive up to the church planing on taken a kid for a ride?

Just because somebody see a flaw in your argument doesn't mean they don't have sympathy for the victim, they don't have kids or any other acusation that you level agains't people that disagree with you.

[nsnate02]

Easy, there's no hostility towards anyone. It's just my observations and feelings on the matter. I didn't single anyone out, just commented on the comments and the original question in generalities. Besides, since I don't live in Ohio, it's not really going to matter to me anyhow. Just being a part of the conversation.

[KP Ling]

Originally Posted by nsnate02

Might I add, I see few tears for the victims in these responses. Everyone deserves a second chance, Oh they made a mistake. Can the victims get a second chance? Then the offenders should get the same chance they get at moving on and forgetting. Give me a brake, some of you guys must not have kids. If one of these turds did any of those things to my kids, they would meet MR. XD and MR. AK. Just my .02

I do commend that you would defend your children to the death, or in your case with death, as you and anyone has the right to do. However, I take exception that we shed no tears for the victims. I feel badly for them but also do not wish to be punished down the road with the same "lumped in" logic that this idea of license plates creates. If you start sentencing people to punishment and then reneg on your end of the bargain; what incentive do they have to reform themselves? Why should a child behave if someone beats them all the time? Simple answer, they have no reason to behave or reform themselves only become more stealthy or ingenious in their rebellion as well as try to rebel all the time. Similarly, when you continue punishing sex offenders with new laws even after they have served their time, you constantly remind them of how horrible and incapable of change they are regardless of whther they are or not. It may be true that some, or even most, may never change but does that mean we should lump all of them together and curtail their rights based on potential rather than actual outcomes? This is the same logic people who oppose guns use, they fear the potential outcomes of widespread gun ownership rather than its actuality. Why not punish those who actually commit offenses, or in this case re-offend, rather than continually punishing a whole class of people. Anti-gunners use this same logic on us and it is wrong when they do it so it is also wrong for anyone who wants to punish someone for a crime or punish them again and again for a crime though they have fulfilled their end of the bargain without re-offending.

Also, I see a lack of parenting which is trying to be made up by state intervention. The state has outlawed almost every form of effective parenting; I do not mean abuse but what is considered abuse today would have been thought of as simple discipline. I make no judgement on whether this shift is a good or bad thing but it has the following effects:

1) The state becomes the uber-parent who has the final say in children's upbringing and so parents feel vestigial. This has the effect of making parents less involved or active in the upbringing of their children. Not to say parents are horrible but subconciously they know that rather than spend as much time needed as is necessary to raise a child, such as proper supervision, they can get the state to do it for them by say...passing laws that sex offenders use special licens plates rather than the parents have to be as actively observant of their children as is necessary. Also, it means that your children are ultimately state property since there is another entity which can tell you in what ways to parent and strip you of your rights when it feels you are not parenting well or in the approved manner. Again all this psychologically mounts in the parents subconcious which makes them think, "Well, I can raise my kid part time since the govt. will do most of it for me." And so parents as a whole are less aware of their children's behaviors, surroundings, and dangers because they believe others are going to keep the tabs for them.

2) The current system of punishment does not work and also cares less about the victim than I would say any of us do. First off the current system of punishment does nothing to make the victim whole again. I realize in some crimes such as murder and sexual crimes that victims will not or may never be made whole again for the rest of the victim's life. But the system must be set up to try and make the criminal attempt, if not complete restitution to the victim. Our system victimizes the families of children and others made victims all over again by making them pay, through taxes and such, for the upkeep, counseling, medication (if applicable), transitional training back into society of those who victimized them. I would much rather a criminal be made clearly and well-known to all society and have to pay off some debt.

Such as, a child molester would not go to prison only to himself be victimized and thus turn out worse upon release and also be institutionalized on his victims' dime. The child molester would keep his job so long as his employer wanted to keep him and he was not ina position to victimize again, such as being a teacher. He would then have to pay for all the counseling, medication, housing in special hospices etc. that it takes for his victim to become whole (or at least try to) again so long as the victim lives or feels the need for this help. He would also have to pay for all the associated fees for the administration of such fees (such as the monitoring of the punishment and the legal arrangements) so nothing would be paid by the victim. The state is actually an accomplice to criminals in the current criminal justice system in that it makes the victims of crime pay for the upkeep of the criminals when caught.

Prisons also do nothing more than turn criminals into worse criminals since they have no incentive to rejoin society. Through making the criminal live in and amongst society you have the added element of shame. In prison everyoner there is conditioned to be the biggest and baddest person around and so the prison system actually desensitizes criminals to their own acts and removes shame as an effective measure against recidivism. Criminals are proud to be so and want always to grow worse, more violent, and victimize even more as a sign of accomplishment in today's criminal justice system. THe current system does not work and the rates of incarceration have only risen so when a system is designed to punish people to not commit crimes but only results in them committing more crimes...that system itself is criminal.

It may seem strange to let criminals stay in society and try to work towards rehabilitation and reconciliation with their victims, but it is better than what we have now. Also, it may actually make them see the horros of their own actions rather than being surrounded (such as in a prison) by people as bad or worse than them and so making their actions, in a relative sense, seem not bad at all. They might even reform themselves seeing what others have and workig towards it and indeed confront the horrors of what they did rather than being shut off and living like an animal trying to come out of prison alive or unraped. when you ahve these concerns in your mind then you do not tend to think upon what you did to your victims but how you will make it through tomorrow and so do not reform. Also, how does the criminal dying or being raped make the victim whole again? It does not and if we are a society that believes, "Well they deserved it," then it means that rape and murder are okay under certain circumstances. If so, who is qualified to make these decisions and what kind of person (creature) would want to be in that position? We also should be more honest in sentencing and simply ask offenders, "You are hereby sentenced to being gangraped daily for three years after which you will be killed by a homemade knife to the heart/neck/back of head (or beaten to death with mop handles)." Who then would be the monsters?

Children and their welfare are always emotional. I suspect that some Ohio politician has realized that to aggrandize him/herself through suggestion of this law. Again, he only wants to make people victims all over again since I am sure it will cost the people who are not in prison to pay for those who victimized them and are in prison for this program. It is not likely that a sex offender can get a job easy to afford a car so, this will be another government program with high overhead and no return, all at the expense of the victims or those who are law-abiding citizens. And this gets back to Why should others have to help others raise their kids? Why should others without children or those who are sufficiently good parents to monitor their children, pay for others who can't get the government to help them?

[Cryogaijin]

Bad bloody idea. Sex offenders include people convicted of things from urinating in public, to an 18 year old sleeping with his 15 year old gf, to all the normal boogymen.

Personally, I favor people taking responsibility for their own safety and protection, and not requiring society to do it for them.