What a sorry state of affairs

[NMCB3]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Yeah. I saw the story. I felt terrible for the boy. I have three boys, and I would be devastated if that would happen to one of my sons. Pretty typical situation, however. The kid ended up in this situation because he couldn't afford a dentist. Even if the mom had healthcare, very few healthcare plans truly cover dental. Very few hospitals deal with dental problems on an emergency basis. This kid needed a dentist early on. Dentists do not want to treat those who cannot pay for their services. If my kids were suffering from a bad tooth, I would rob a liquor store to get the money before letting them suffer. The mom lacked motivation. When kids lives and health are on the line, any parent CAN find the money. An extraction at any dentists should have been less than $200. Hell, a decent church would have given her the money for an extraction. Government isn't to blame. The proper motivation was not present. Sounds like someone is looking for a lawsuit. Don't read this wrong. I am totally devastated that a little boy died over something so easily corrected.

In any event, government spending doesn't have much to do with this. We do not need more government handouts. I am entirely against almost all forms of welfare. We do not need socialized medicine. I have four friends who live in Canada that I talk to nearly daily, and visit yearly. They complain about the long lines, unskilled doctors, and poor overall service.

We need limits on medical malpractice lawsuits. We need regulation of the insurance industry. They are raping us. I make good money and so does my wife. We have good health insurance and medical spending accounts, and can still barely afford dental for our kids. I pay most out of my pocket. Our dental caps at $1000 per person per year. After a few X-rays, exams and a filling or two, were done. $1000 goes quick in a dental office. God forbid I need a crown or bridge. I pay the rest out of my pocket, and go after my MSA for the reimbursement.

I think what bd was getting at is here we are spending 463 billion for defense, and this kids parents cant afford a dentist. Yes government is to blame. When you print money out of thin air to finance your wars around the globe its going to cause inflation. I hear what your saying about medical costs although more government regulation is the last thing we need. Their meddling is what has everything screwed up in the first place.

Like Ronald Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to our problems, Government is the problem."

[Onlytehbest_XD]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

Your disclaimer is duly noted. Being brainwashed to worship the state I don't expect you to value liberty. You say you have "grown used to being taxed for social services (how pathetic) Also your masters spend more of the money they steal from you on health care and social services "more than anything else" but you probably wont see it all. Don't fret, they will just tax you more when the time comes, after all you are just their cash cow. From your perspective my government is "doing nothing wrong" in the sense of "good government" after all they`re protecting us from the "evil doers" whilst they keep the "economy going" by shoveling Billions of dollars to defense contractors. NEWSFLASH! My government was formed to secure my liberty, not steal my wealth and centrally plan the economy and my life! You think that if your short on funds you have two choices either borrow it or print it. I have a third choice for you QUIT SPENDING!! You feel that a "good option" to a 9 trillion dollar debt is to just " print more money" Guess what? inflation is an over supply of money. You advocate just "waiting to see" how much money the government is going to print. GUESS WHAT? They wont tell you. They quit reporting M3, the total amount of money in circulation is unknown.

First off numbers from the government are notoriously inaccurate. For example to minimize defense spending the government will;

#1- Present defense spending as the budget for the Defense Department and not for the other branches of government involved in military spending.
(State Dept, Homeland Security,NASA etc)

#2- The cost of current wars (Afghanistan, Iraq) are off budget and booty is acquired through special funding legislation.

#3- Military budget does not include interest on the debt for prior wars that were fought.

#4- Military spending is presented as % of GDP so it appears to be 4% of total spending instead of over 50% of entire federal budget.

ETC ETC.

As far as inflation, The FED lies about it through various measures.

#1- They have not counted the massive rise in home prices.Even though this has been the largest inflation in the country for years.

#2- They refer to Core CPI Inflation which does not count the soaring costs of energy and food.

#3- They lie about education costs, health and medical care, insurance etc etc.

The Inflation Tax
Con Ron Paul.

I should have been more clear, im sorry.
When I said WE i meant the general population, and not myself specifically. Oh, and I pay my taxes because I dont want to goto jail.

I think you missed where I said that I know my government spends our money any way they want. I am also very aware that they take from peter to pay paul and then tell mary to fill out the green form and that she will have to wait about 3 to 6 weeks for her cheque.

Im not out to make bold faced statements about the short commings of your government or mine. All I was trying to say is that their spending is excessive and mismanaged.

I made a mistake in my last paragraph it was supose to read "So printing my own money might NOT be a good option."

Furthermore, did you even look at the links I posted....I think you will find all those numbers on there in points 1-4. And I think if the numbers arent accurate then sooner or later your gonna see something way worse than what happened with Enron. (I think someone watches too many spy movies)

As for the inflation thing I understand the general idea, but I said i was no expert. Also I was undrer the impression the housing market in the US was slowly correcting itself, although I would have to agree that with increased housing prices im sure you will see an increase in rental prices as well. Furthermore, I think a scary part of it is the amount of debt per household and what will happen if interest rates keep rising. As for energy and food costs you make a good point if they dont consider these things.


Well I didnt expect to be jumped on like that. I thought my little post was quite innocent in nature. I guess I should be more careful in how I compose my posts. I especially didnt want to offend anyone.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by NMCB3

I think what bd was getting at is here we are spending 463 billion for defense, and this kids parents cant afford a dentist. Yes government is to blame. When you print money out of thin air to finance your wars around the globe its going to cause inflation. I hear what your saying about medical costs although more government regulation is the last thing we need. Their meddling is what has everything screwed up in the first place.

Like Ronald Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to our problems, Government is the problem."

Ok. Short of handouts, how would the government have corrected this?

[bd]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Ok. Short of handouts, how would the government have corrected this?

Call it what you like....children, with no means of supporting themselves, through no fault of their own, regardless of what their parents do or don't do, in a country that can afford a defense budget larger than all of the defense budgets in the world COMBINED should not ever be denied medical care.

This is only one small example that proves just shows how sick our country has become.

Kids dying of abcessed teeth in the "greatest" country in the history of the world....maybe in some third world state...but here?

And you would begrudge a government handout of 80 friggin' dollars... 80 bucks would have got this young man to a dentist who would have taken care of the tooth...you probably spent more than that on your wife's valentine's day roses. Eighty dollars would have kept a young boy from dying what must have been a very slow and extremely painful death. Can you imagine what this young boy went through?

Hell no.

You don't want anyone to get a government handout.

Well in the end it cost the government $250,000 after the kid spent 2 weeks in the hospital before he died when the infection from the abcessed tooth went to his brain and killed him.

All for a government handout of 80 friggin dollars.

bd

[XDinNC]

What about the dentist, dental assistant, church or local charity who could have provided a cheap $80 treatment for this kid?

Why must everything become a federal case?

[bd]

Originally Posted by XDinNC

What about the dentist, dental assistant, church or local charity who could have provided a cheap $80 treatment for this kid?

Why must everything become a federal case?

Why don't you take it upon yourself to start matching up children in need of medical care with doctors and dentists who are willing to do it for free?

You could single handedly eliminate a lot of "federal cases".

bd

[XDinNC]

There are already agencies who do this. But before you get all high and mighty, I do donate to needy causes (time and money).

As concerned as you are about this kid, why didn't you help him? Or are you too busy blaming others?

[LUVMYSIGP225]

BD-

I believe in helping children. We also must not promote laziness and indiscriminate breeding. Why did this mother have a child if she could not afford to care for him? You will say that maybe she could afford it when she had him. I am willing to bet $1000 she couldn't. Here we go back to my case for compulsory sterilization. I tell you what. I will meet you half way. Give him the government handout. Then, child Services should have taken the kid and his brother away from their mom, sterilized her so that she is no longer irresponsible, and put them in a caring home. Heck, I will give him the $80.00. But, do not promote their behavior with handouts. My kid needs dental, too, this month. It will get into a lot of dough. Insurance will give me a quick grand as the maximum. I sure would like it if the Government threw me the other couple grand.

And don't compare income levels. I grew up poor, and I got off my a$$ and went to college and paid for it with the G.I. Bill because I volunteered to serve my country. I now have alot because I WORKED FOR IT. NO HANDOUTS!!

You can do anything with motivation. Give one of them a handout, and it encourages more of the same.

Oh, and let me edit this.....You are right, BD. Spending on the war is too high. Cut it and give the money to secure our borders and to education, where it should go. An investment in our future.

[PeteTschantz]

There are plenty of charitable institutions already, many of which are probably better at distributing 'help' than the government. If you want to look at mispent dollars, there are many more deserving areas than the defense budget.

Why is it that people expect the federal government to deal with every problem every person has? I'm a grown up, I can take care of my life. Of course I'm willing to take personal responsibility for myself as well.

I am not familiar enough with the story of this child to comment about it specifically. I do think it would be much easier to find a house of worship(whatever faith) that would help with this, than to try and get the gov't to deal with it.

[RuffRidr]

Originally Posted by bd

Why don't you take it upon yourself to start matching up children in need of medical care with doctors and dentists who are willing to do it for free?

You could single handedly eliminate a lot of "federal cases".

Why don't you go down to the local dentist office and offer to pay for all of the hard cases that come in and can't afford service?

You could single hadedly eliminate a lot of "federal cases"

--RuffRidr