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02-20-2007, 06:03 AM
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Anyone do any research on this?
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02-23-2007, 05:54 AM
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I'm kind of surprised.
You guys cry foul a lot and beat the drum for fair government and making changes in illegal immigration policy, yet when an injustice is being done to a cop who was doing what was within the bounds of law and his departments policy and procedure to do it seems that there is very little discussion or talk of trying to change what is very potentially going to set a bench mark for things to come. This goes hand in hand with a few other things that have been brought up on this forum that have sparked outrage, such as the thread "Texas town invaded in Operation Last dance" "Baca seeks to limit hollow point use" and "ATF at my house" If you fail to see the connection between these things (and I AM NOT some conspiracy theorist) meaning that if the Federal government can step in and turn things to prosecute a sworn law enforcement official who according to his legal performance of his duties and the chief law enforcement official for his county, did nothing wrong. Then what will prevent an average citizen with less of a duty to act than a Deputy, from similar or worse treatment? Granted as LEOs we are held to a higher standard, but if what happened to D/S Hernandez is any indication, we are going to be slowly hogtied by our government and pressured by the Mexican government. People need to write a short email or letter to their elected representatives and let them know that something needs to be done.
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02-23-2007, 08:31 AM
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Alright I've looked and I can't find any reliable information on the case. I still have questions about exactly what took place and what exactly he was convicted of.
The closest I've come to which is from his own families website states he was beside the vehicle and that it turned left as it took off. Yet other websites talk about it being a van or that it "wheeled around and came right at him". Obviously these are very different accounts. I guess the truth is just like the two other agents that were sentenced I don't feel I have enough info to say "yes they are obviously innocent". Can you point me to a reliable source that I may have missed?
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02-23-2007, 09:14 AM
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Here is a link to an article from the Washington Times
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...4744-1388r.htm This is a link to Congressman Sam Johnsons website where you can find an article http://www.samjohnson.house.gov/News...aspx?Year=2007 A link to a story in WorldNetDaily http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54243 There are more I'm sure, as I said I'm just a little surprised at the lack of interest in what could be one of the cornerstones in the future of our countries assimilation by the will of foreign entities. on edit Orangeskies beat me to it!
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02-23-2007, 09:49 AM
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02-23-2007, 09:58 AM
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The Washington Times article was pretty good.
I'm afraid I'm still not comfortable calling him innocent. I fully support him using deadly force if he felt the vehicle was trying to hit him, as another person in the car confirmed. However he didn't sheet to stop the attack he shot to disable the vehicle. Not immediately but so they could catch them easier. To me this is a very grey area. He did no hit the person committing the crime but an innocent 3rd person. Yes I know she was in the country illegally but I said before this wasn't the crime requiring deadly force. As a easy example to us normal folk say we are in fear for our life and choose to fire our weapons. Now say our missed shot hits the neighbor. We are not innocent in harming the neighbor. We would be fully guilty of that. But we wouldn't have been had we hit the BG. I'm sorry but I'm afraid emotion has come into play here. I feel for him and his family as it was a split second decision. I'm afraid it was probably the wrong decision. I really hope he doesn't get a harsh punishment for it. I'd rather it be probation or something that would allow him to go back to his life with a healthy lesson learned.
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02-23-2007, 10:27 AM
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Well at least you took the time to get informed and post what you found to satisfy your position!
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